bluedeath
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
Why call Him or Her God?
and we named this SOMETHING, GOD.Or ALL POWERFUL, ALL that IS, OUR CREATOR, THE FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY SPIRIT. ALL POSITIVE, TOTAL ENERGY.All of these decriptions are all opposite of what does not exist,nothing, is it not? A question that we are all searching for is, "Should I believe in nothing or should I believe in something? OUR CREATOR, which you can deny or not ,what ever you want to call HIM, doesn't care what you call HIM, as long as you call HIM.
Isn't something,that no matter how simple an explaination,it sounds so confusing? "What in the hell is he talking about?"That's because we try to use our brains to understand and not our INTELLIGENCE. Which by the way also describes GOD. SOMETHING CREATES!!! Nothing, being nothing,can't create. Nothing and SOMETHING can not coexist. But we believe in nothing,and we go to war to prove nothing exist."Over my dead body will I believe that GOD {SOMETHING} exist!!" Well the world you see and expirence is because you believe in NOTHING. Is death not another word for nothing.GOD IS Everlasting LIFE!
I all most forgot, MORAL of the story. Be positive,think positive, you will experince positive in your life. Be negative, think negative and you will experince negative. This isn't rocket science. Try it. See what happens.
Well bluedeath, what do you think? No comment. Don't bother, it's obvious what you think, just by the name. That's OK, so do I. Just not kidding myself, but atleast I know I am insane.
The Holocaust involved bodies,human bodies that believes "that if your body is differrent and not made according to "my"(a real insane evil soul,in a body) body specs.,I will destroy them. Evil in human form, Being INSANE and believing "he"is the all powerful body of knowledge has the power to destroy and create human bodies the way "he"(being evil, acting out his thoughts) sees fit.Not believing in what REALLY EXISTs, SPIRIT.SPIRIT BEING ONE with ALL THAT EXISTS, GOD, Spirits CREATOR. "he",the evil believer ofthe body,on the other hand,believes he can destroy"ALL THAT EXIST",ALL POWERFUL GOD.
Difinitions: EVIL, is"nothing" believing and acting out in attack mode, believes that the body exist and the body is all knowing and all wisdom. When ONE believes in a SPLIT MIND, MIND BEING ALL THAT IS, (GOD),now in 2 parts,Part 1. THE CHRIST MIND, the part of MIND that has THE POSITIVE ENERGY that CREATES ALL that "IS" POSITIVE, and what HAS MEANING, LOVE,PEACE,JOY ALL THAT MATTERS.Part2: The Part of mind that can,t create. The opposite OF ALL THAT IS POWERFUL, so being opposite, it is powerless. Nothingness.I have asked this before, "How can NOTHING (negative)create?That is BELIEF in EVIL
So did the Holocaust exist or take place? Did bodies die? As I stated in the past, when I type this TURTH, "ONLY GOD EXISTS,nothing else "Do I believe in bodies, and did 6 million bodies die in the "Holocaust"? Yes, I see bodies,I believe that I am a body, So therefore the LAW of PHYSICs apply,I also see and experince death and destruction because of my "insane" thoughts, which is believing that THE CHRIST MIND can not exist or create anything,that there is no god.Yes I believe in attack.I do not believe I,YOU,me,he she,they, them,Jesus are ALL ONE.So my beliefs are complete opposite of GODS.
What makes me different, I perfer unique, is I am learning that these negative thoughts we all have caused all the pain and dispair, in the world & in my life. That's because I AM the CREATOR of all that I see,hear,touch, smell & taste. If one is in the DARK, and does not believe in LIGHT, one will stay in the dark until one day SOMEONE sends you,directs you, to the LIGHT. Well I now CHOOSE no more darkness,I'm tired of nothing. So now I'm learning and listening to THE CHRIST MIND, THE FATHER,JESUS THE CHRIST, and because THE HOLY SPIRIT IS within me,I have(and you too)a connecting link, cont.
A bridge that fills all the gaps, that connects with GOD. I'm learning the false does not exist, only the TRUTH! Sounds simple said that way, but so hard to KNOW. That's it . I'm done.
bluedeath, I'm completely aware I have no idea who you are? This is a perfect example of wrongful judgememt. Thank you for your help. I did know this about you, did I not?
Theres ur thumbs up I have used all they give you in a day and am borrowing votes from tomorrow. Expect more my friend and how about a thumbs up for effort on my answer to your question!.
Tonight's discussion has been both enlightening and entertaining, but I hope more people will read the Greek quote from about 300 BCE and give some real thought about what Epicurus is asking. He is actually asking about the Greek City Gods (every city had its own) and whether they could prevent evil. And then he is taking the argument to its logical conclusion that there are no Greek Gods. But saying that, the argument here would be just as valid for today's religious ideas. So try to answer the question without bias, if possible to today's, or yesteryear's gods or goddesses.
Some people are equating this quote with their own religion, and that is fine, but I am asking for responses on this quote, not an attack on other people or religions. What are the flaws in the Epicurus philosophical argument?
This is meant to be an exercise in critical thinking. It is meant to provide a pathway towards better understanding and discussion.
I hope everyone is looking at the follow-up pages too because several authors are providing both strong and weak arguments about this quote and I invite everyone to think and question and respond critically to everyone's position.
Interesting outlook, one that dovetails nicely with the idea that you exist because I imagine you to exist. But once I cease to exist, then so do you. I wish I would or could say I thought that one up, but I did not. So how is it obvious by my name what I think? Bluedeath was what I came up with to get rid of the blues, nothing more or less. So please explain, "Well bluedeath, what do you think? No comment. Don't bother, it's obvious what you think, just by the name. That's OK, so do I. Just not kidding myself, but atleast I know I am insane." Of course I'm going to comment, that's what I do.
I don't think we are born just to die for nothing. But there is not some omnipotent being that gave me life, direction, or death. I am here to live my life to the best of my ability in order to die in and with peace. Even though I am an atheist, I believe I should do right by others, just as I want them to do right by me. Yes it's the "Golden Rule." But before you get on my case about it, I believe most religions can teach us if used as guides, like the fables of my youth. Read the "Books." Don't accept what others tell you. Choose for yourself what to believe, that's what Martin Luther said.
nothing is the begaining of somthing.you had no will to be born.so soomthing gave you life why?are you born just to die for noihing,i don"t think so.somthing brought you here for somthing to do somthing for him.you didn"t bring nothing,and you can take nothing. which is somthing with you to nothing.do we relly have control of our live if we came from nothing.you can drink water,but you can"t take it with you.bread air,but can"t take it with you...ete.don"t put your trust in things. put your somthing in God that last forever.
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LethalLee
I don't know...God made me an atheist
| 13 years ago. Rating: 0 | |
LethalLee,
Christians believe the testamony given by several witnesses who lived during the time Jesus lived. They walked with Him and talked with Him and recorded there experiences and converstaions that they had with Him. So people have seen Jesus and believe that He is whom He said He was, the Son of God. The proof is overwhelming, have you actually read the testamonies for yourself?
LOL, God doesn't make atheists (chuckles) men do that to themselves. That "blaming" would ludicrous if it weren't so funny. ;)
I actually find it quite amazing that people can beleive in something that no-one has ever seen or has conclusive proof has ever existed.Just because it's been written in a book hundreds of years ago. But people need to beleive in something simply because the alternative can be pretty frightening. I'd like to think it also makes people a lot more compassionate towards thier fellow man but it rarely does.
That's funny. But even as an atheist, you must have some response or position. I'm an atheist and I enjoy discussion ideas, no matter where they come from, provided they are thought provoking and provide some semblance of open discussion. So, all kidding aside, what is position on this quote?
Well said Gabalis. But what FriendofGod fails to mention is that when read, the testimonies are contradictory and just as reliable as witnesses today for prosecutions and defenses at trials. Every witness must be considered unreliable until their statements can be substantiated. But even though literally millions of documents are available within Vatican City walls, many will never be released to Historians searching for the truth behind the claims of the so called witnesses. Additionally, the witnesses all had reasons for their testimonies that must be examined closely.
In other words, understand what was going on at the time within the Roman Empire and what each of the players had to gain or lose from being in the cult, run by one of many, who claimed to be the one and only Messiah. The next thing to ask, is what changed from about 230 BCE to 400 AD when the books included in the Bible were actually included, and just as important, which of the many texts were excluded and why? How gained and who lost at the point the Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire and how did it all change once again when the Pope crowned Charlemagne on Christmas Day?
Oh, and just to be clear Gabalis, I would argue that men do not become atheists, they are born atheist and are converted later either using social pressures, or self discovery. That is the justification of some Christian religions not to baptize until a certain age or understanding has been reached by that individual. Other religions have similar patterns, for example Judaism, when the boy becomes a man in a ceremony. How about the coming out parties for the girls which tend to have religious undertones and overtones?
If I remember right LethalLee, not all the books were written by people who lived during the time of Jesus, or walked with Him either. John comes to mind as the primary example of someone who did not.
jeffrey
there is no god, you dumbasses. surprised you all haven't figured it out. and jesus was nothing but a magician. Chriss Angel does the same stuff.
| 13 years ago. Rating: 0 | |
Jeffry, while I understand your argument,I fail to see how Chris Angel would end up dividing nations, cause wars, and create money making opportunities for generations of people who, in some cases, end up molesting children while preaching goodness. Besides, Chris Angel also has not done nearly the charitable work that is attributed to Christian churches of every denomination. So while I agree that there is no god or gods, I disagree with your reasoning behind your response and request a more in-depth and thoughtful response to the 2,300 plus year old quote. Thank you.
In your response to Jeffrey, you seem to be confusing two points. While it has been fairly well established there was a man named Jesus, there is no proof nothing that says that man was also a God. But there is also no proof he was just a magician. But given the two, the likelihood of Jesus being a God verses being a magician or illusionist, I'd have to lean toward magician. But that being the case, I maintain Jesus would have been both a very good magician and a heck of a public speaker, even though, like Socrates, he never wrote anything down on his own that we know of.
You call us CHRISTIANS dumb.But you say that there is no GOD. But in the same sentence you admit there was a man called JESUS.
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varvarin
Mysticism(religion) is a rebellion against life,effort,and conscious mind.But as with drugs and alcohol,religion is seductivly comfortable.Religion is based on a false and destructive idea:the primacy of emotions over reality.Any form of mysticism(telepathy,pshyic,astrologie,religion)is dangerous for a human mind.People all over the world are confused and unable to judge between reality and myth.
| 13 years ago. Rating: -1 | |
I might, consider your statement seriously if your reference was "Tradition" not Religion. The Myths to which you refer, are most profound, riddles, homilies, parables, canticles, which are Verbal Formulas, every bit as viable as the mathmatical formulas of Phyics. They are the gift of God that man might understand the understanding of the understanding. The Light of the Light of Lights.
And what does this have to do with the original quote? Sorry, but you get a downed thumb for this nonsense. If you want to actually read the quote and respond, I will be happy to discuss it with you.
sammy66
There is NO evil, only the belief in evil. There can only be evil if you believe in evil. When evil is believed to exist, one believes in bodies, the physical realm. A place where bodies seem seperated, having thier own brains, not connected to a Creator.Evil is a negative thought, being negative, meaning nothing. How can nothing exist? Nothing is nothing, negative. The belief that nothing exist means one would believe nothing has power and creative abilities.ONLY SOMETHING EXISTS.This Something is ALL that EXIST, being opposite of nothing.This Something IS THE CREATOR OF ALL that EXIST, GOD.