Volcane
15 Answers
Grit Savage
I don't care where people come from, but if they choose to leave a country because of in-fighting political, religious, or whatever, they have made that brave decision to leave and settle elsewhere.
my problem is that once some of them have settled in their new chosen home/country they still carry on with the same problems/feuds/arguments they left their original country.
I personally think if you move to anywhere you should learn the language adhere to the laws of the land and integrate into your new chosen society. and leave all the bad shit where they left it!
:-)
| 13 years ago. Rating: 3 | |
Lupe
matheneyg
unless you are a native american then you are a immigrant yourself we forget we took their land by force
| 13 years ago. Rating: 2 | |
No, I am a natural born American citizen. There is nothing immigrant about me. My ancestors maybe but not me. I took nothing from anyone. The early Americans conquered this land. I wasn't there and unless you were, you can not say "we".
You're speaking of colonists Peoplelover. During the colonial period, there was only one real war to speak of, the Pequot war of 1637, it didn't last long and wasn't considered a major war. It was a war the natives started when they sought to stop the colonist from moving onto their territory. The greatest wars (that pushed them in to reservations and killed thousands of them) happened after we became known as the United States. This is the time I speak of for them being conquered. They also had fire arms and cannons that they traded for or bought from the arms dealers of the time.
Jessica, there is nothing immigrant about me. I was born in the United States to parents who were born in the United States who also were born to parents who were born in the United States. If an illegal immigrant (from any country) bears a child in the United States, then their child is not viewed as an immigrant, he is viewed as a natural born citizen. You're trying to argue semantics here and where we both view the meaning of immigrant differently I can not agree with your thought. I have American traditions. I'm not even sure of what my early ancestors traditions might have been.
We were actually the United States of America long before the civil war. The civil war happened because the south wanted to secede from the union, the union of the United States of America. Thank you for your kind words : )
If your ancestors were immigrant and you share their blood, then there is something immigrant about you. traditions, food preferances, the way you look, all come from your immigrant ancestors.
GEE COLLEEN I JUST GOT THROUGH BACKING YOU UP ON ANOTHER QUESTION AND NOW YOU THROW THIS AT ME. BLOODY HELL! RIGHT I TOTALY AGREE WITH ALL YOU SAY EXCEPT "THE EARLY AMERICANS CONQUERED THIS LAND" FIRSTLY THEY WERE NOT AMERICANS, THE NAME WAS NOT USED TO DESCRIBE THE VERY EARLY PEOPLE THAT CAME FROM ACROSS THE SEA IN BIG CANOE SECONDLY THEY DID NOT CONQUER THEY TOOK BY STEALTH AND SUBTAFUGE (IS THAT HOW IT IS SPELT?)POURED GROG INTO A NOBLE PEOPLE AND FIRED MUSKETS AT THEM IF A ARROW CAME THEIR WAY. ALL THIS ASIDE I STILL LIKE YOU AND THE EARLY SETTLERS HERE WERE JUST AS BAD PROUD BACKGROUND?
Well Colleen to my knowledge the indigenous were being pushed off their land long before your civil war after which it became the United States. I am up for correction. Still like your comments, in the world of animal husbandry it takes three cross matings of the same species to get a new breed so yes you are American as I am Australian. Have a good day.
Coach
bluedeath
Oh my gosh. I just read a book discussing this very question called, the "color of whiteness" describing immigrants of the Gilded Age and how they reacted to, and were reacted against, by people in the USA. I am currently exploring the same question from the Mormon perspective. What constitutional rights do people who have no rights have? But getting back to the question at hand:
On the one hand, diversity guarantees a diverse gene pool that makes us stronger as a human race, but on the other hand people tend to be distrustful of what they see as different. I don't believe either of your solutions is correct because both denote a kind of entitlement to immigrants. For example, if we deport them, that opens up a black market economy that is immune from taxation and representation that some people believe is justified, so the ones are are sent back are done so via taxpayer nickels. But on the other-hand, if we give shelter to all immigrants, it promotes a social welfare system that most agree the USA cannot afford at this time given the economic struggles we are currently engaged in. But while that seems to be contradictory, I propose a third system. Give shelter to those immigrants we perceive need it for religious, economic, or political reasons, but do so with the caveat that they somehow repay the USA for the privilege of being here. And that could be done in any number of ways, including construction projects in US National Parks for examples so that other construction companies could be used to rebuild our state infrastructures. But the best way to repay the USA four our help would be to educate and train people before sending them abroad, once conditions improved in their country of origin, to better promote the USA intentions of peace. Education and peace dovetail nicely with national interests of any country.
| 13 years ago. Rating: 2 | |
GREAT ANSWER. I HAVE A QUESTION OF MY OWN. WHEN YOU SAY THAT IMMIGRANTS COULD "REPAY... WITH CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS," IS THAT A JOB THEY WOULD DO FOR FREE. OR WOULD IT BE TO OFFER JOBS?
That is a Great Answer, it seems that everyone else missed the point of the question...
PEOPLELOVER
I WOULD SERIOUSLY DOUBT IF THERE IS A NATION IN THE WORLD THAT HAS NOT GROWN AND THRIVED THROUGH IMMIGRANTS. THE MAJORITY OF USERS OF THIS SITE APPEAR TO BE FROM USA SO LETS LOOK AT THEM.THEY ARE A MIXTURE OF MIGRANTS FROM IRELAND, ITALY, ENGLAND, SCOTLAND AND GOODNESS KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER COUNTRIES. WITHOUT MIGRATION THE USA WOULD BE IN THE HANDS OF WHAT ARE NOW CALLED "NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS" A TITLE WHICH I FIND OFFENSIVE. THEY ARE NATIVES OF THEIR HOMELAND WHICH WAS GIVEN THE TITLE AMERICA BY IMMIGRANTS.
THEY ARE CALLED INDIAN BECAUSE OLD CHRIS WAS LOOKING FOR A SEA ROUTE TO INDIA> THEY ARE A PROUD AND WONDERFUL RACE AND TO BE STIGMATISED WITH SILLY NAMES DOES NO ONE JUSTICE.
BUT I DIGRESS, ENGLAND A MIXTURE OF ROMAN, GAULS, SAXONS, JUTES, NORMANS, VIKING AND LOTS MORE.
MY COUNTRY AUSTRALIA, A MIX OF ENGLISH IRISH, ITALIAN,CHINESE, MALTESE, GERMAN,AND HEAPS MORE. WE HAVE OUR ORIGINAL OWNERS WHO ARE NOT CALLED NATIVE AUSTRALIANS BUT ABORIGINEES. THE ORIGINAL ONE.
WITHOUT IMIGRANTS WE STAGNATE LIKE A POND WITH NO FRESH WATER.
| 13 years ago. Rating: 1 | |
TSC
Slowly but surely White Americans will become the minority in this country. Its inevitable.
| 13 years ago. Rating: 1 | |
I feel the only problem is the language barrier. When Immigrants come into the country and cannot communicate with others because they do not understand or avoid others because of this barrier, promoting people to only speak with people of their language or nationality.
Rushie54
Everyone complains about immigrants and sending them home. The best people to ask about this question are the American Native Red Indians. I wonder what they would say. Where did you originate from.? did your fore fathers move to whereever you live now. I guess they did.
I'm English and proud of it, but my ancesters were Irish, and their's were Italian.
but the people of the world move around all the time from country to country. The only annoying people are the one's that have no intention what so ever to support themselves and only want a free ride. But if you look at it honestly it's not really their fault. If our Governments, who we elected into power agree to take them regardless then who wouldn't move. If I said to you pack your bags and those of your family and come live over here. We will give you a nice house to live in, better than the one you currently live in, we will give you money to live in it, money to pay for it, we won't expect you to get a job, You can claim for every possible benefit going, don't worry about people complaining, we will protect you from them, in fact we will put them in prison if they attack you. Then what would you do.
| 13 years ago. Rating: 1 | |
A point about the old argument that this land was taken from the Indians. Yes, it was. People came, they conquered, they overtook. Now if the illegals want to organize themselves the same way the early Americans did and attack and conquer this nation and make it their own, then they can give it a go I guess. What I do not agree with is when Mexican border crossers, enter this country as illegals, then band together and march in our streets demanding rights, the same rights tax paying citizens have. When they, as illegals, demand that their flag be flown or hung in our schools.
- State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs;
- The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions;
- The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants, although the impact is most likely modest; and
- Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments.
who do you suppose are the people that want a free ride and that america gives money to and houses to live in?
It's the same here Colleen. They will not respect our laws or our rights but if you say anything about them then out comes the rasist card
bbos46
03/17/2011
Well, my friend rents to Latino Famiies. They are young and very hard working and love their children and teach them to hehave, endure pain and work hard. With our Social Security being drained because we need more young people of working age, I consider these folks the answer to our prayers. I think that we are looking a gift horse in the mouth. They do the grueling work that most native Americans won't do. The work is low paying, brutal and dirty. I have done a lot of the jobs of harvesting and all they do now. My kids would not do the work that I did nor that of the immigrants. Politicians want hate to replace thinking so they jump from one villian to another. Hating won't solve our problems.
Professor
| 13 years ago. Rating: 1 | |
papa peg
Optimistic!
Eddina Symns
Andrew
screenname
The Indians and the immigrants have half the world to go to. Have them sent to that other half of the world. If we werent here the minoritys would have the whole world. By the way, the real French are supposed tbe one of ours and not the Blacks Latins Hispanics Asians of Orientals. So if there is the other than a real French then they are sometimes called Frenchy. Dureing their revolution they called them selves Jews. And today, the majority here in north America is anglo saxon which is Israeli and Jew. Hitler wanted to be an Arian which is Arabian or Asian. Hitler was supposed to hate Jews but he was in general a voilent transvert to anti-religion such as Cyrus and Darius which married in with Alexander who said the Jews can have their own religion but Cyrus and Darius are to be loard of loards and king of kings which you can find in the bible Revelations that Christ is called King of Kings and Loard of Loards So after Alexander dies the Ptolemic migration to S. America where the Latins and Egytions have flourished for thousands of years. And so have always had the other half of the world to go to Beautiful four seasons of the year for growing and now the new water plans roads and bridges which looks hopeful they would return there.
| 13 years ago. Rating: -1 | |
Most all countries in the world were at some point conquered. If the early Americans had not conquered this land, someone else would have. I will not apologize for how this country was founded. If someone wants to come and conquer us and take over this land, then they can give it a go. But do not illegally enter this land and demand rights that you are not entitled to. If someone were to sneak into your home and begin helping himself to all you owned and then shared it out to his people, would you say, "It's OK,my home is your home, take what you need." (continued)
Would you say that or would you call the police and have them removed from your home? This country is my home. I do not want people coming into my home and taking what belongs to my people (the tax paying citizens of the United States) and sending it back across the border to their people simply because they've allowed their own country to fall into ruin.
Sorry screenname, I meant to post all that by itself not attach it to your post. This was not meant to be directed at you. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the question of illegals.
Legal immigration can positively help our melting pot...but if you discover yourself for one reason:
1.)avoiding eye to eye contact
2.)slightly discriminating
3.)being unfriendly or vulgar
4.)or feel burdened
Get help because you are naturally being too one sided.