FriendofGod
Why do we need God's Word?
Without it, people will make up their own personal religions. When this happens, fights break out about who is right and who is wrong.
Either God is Love or God is Evil. So if you believe God is Love then God must also judge Evil for Evil exist and God is in control of all things. Evil must be judged and cast out. Therefore, God is Love and God is Holy and Just. God, being Holy and Just, must judge and condemn evil.
Examine your religion. Does it preach unconditional love? If it does not, then it does not measure up to God. NO religion goes as far as Jesus Christ when He commanded His followers to love....
Luk 6:27 ¶ But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Luk 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and [to] the evil.
Does your religion measure up to Jesus Christ?
There is One God and we must search the masses of religions to find the words of that One True God for evil will try very hard to destroy the message given to us by God. God is not a God of confusion. Find the word that preaches unconditional love and you will have found the One True God.
May God Bless You and help you find the way!
You have indeed found your way Colleen. I have found God's way. There is no amount of lifetimes you could spend in order to be good enough to be present with a Holy God. Only the blood of Jesus can save a sinner from their ways.
Mr Fog Sir,
Is this not what society has already done?
You have made up your mind that your religion is true, whereas it is full of inconsistencies, paganism and lawlessness.
Coleen has chosen her version which does not agree with either you or the bible.
And in fact there are some 37,000 different sects calling themselves Christian all with their own variations of bible mixed with idolatrous paganism.
The atheists on this site have their version of the truth.
They claim that all religion is a delusion.
So why is that?
I shall tell you why. It because people like yourself Sir are teaching some bible truths mixed with the idolatry of the Roman church. You cannot tell the difference between 1st Century true Christianity and the 4th Century apostate church of Rome. spiritually speaking you are as much asleep on the job as the pharisees who refused to recognize the Christ and conspired with the Roman Government to have him done away with.
Jesus said 'If a bind man leads a blind man surely both will fall into the Pit' Old Satan loves people like you because you are doing his job for him. There are people on this site who are aware that the cross like the grotesque gargles representing trinity are symbols of Idolatry. The Catholic on line encyclopedia admits that Constantine the Great sought to combine the doctrines of the Christianity with the customs of the Pagan world. Why? because Constantine was on a mission of world domination.
Stop and think!
Why is the death and resurrection of our savior associated with a pagan Goddess called Easter?
Why does the so called birthday of Christ fall on the same day as the festival of light with all its pagan connotations?
Why do church members celibate the pagan festival of halloween along with the witches and the warlocks?
It is because their clergymen and teachers like yourself are fast asleep on the job.
Why when Christendoms churches were at their most prominent was it called the dark ages? What was the excuse for the burnings hangings and persecutions of so many harmless bible students?
Why did the Nations of Christendom in two world wars evoke their clergymen and cause them to bless carnal weapons of mass destruction against church members, soldiers of the same denominations on opposite sides of the battle lines?
Now if anyone thinks that our banks and governments are corrupt that is small fry to the corruption of the churches and so that is why the almighty has purposed to resume his authority over the earth. Compare psalm 2.
Is this not what society has already done?
You have made up your mind that your religion is true, whereas it is full of inconsistencies, paganism and lawlessness.
Coleen has chosen her version which does not agree with either you or the bible.
And in fact there are some 37,000 different sects calling themselves Christian all with their own variations of bible mixed with idolatrous paganism.
The atheists on this site have their version of the truth.
They claim that all religion is a delusion.
So why is that?
I shall tell you why. It because people like yourself Sir are teaching some bible truths mixed with the idolatry of the Roman church. You cannot tell the difference between 1st Century true Christianity and the 4th Century apostate church of Rome. spiritually speaking you are as much asleep on the job as the pharisees who refused to recognize the Christ and conspired with the Roman Government to have him done away with.
Jesus said 'If a bind man leads a blind man surely both will fall into the Pit' Old Satan loves people like you because you are doing his job for him. There are people on this site who are aware that the cross like the grotesque gargles representing trinity are symbols of Idolatry. The Catholic on line encyclopedia admits that Constantine the Great sought to combine the doctrines of the Christianity with the customs of the Pagan world. Why? because Constantine was on a mission of world domination.
Stop and think!
Why is the death and resurrection of our savior associated with a pagan Goddess called Easter?
Why does the so called birthday of Christ fall on the same day as the festival of light with all its pagan connotations?
Why do church members celibate the pagan festival of halloween along with the witches and the warlocks?
It is because their clergymen and teachers like yourself are fast asleep on the job.
Why when Christendoms churches were at their most prominent was it called the dark ages? What was the excuse for the burnings hangings and persecutions of so many harmless bible students?
Why did the Nations of Christendom in two world wars evoke their clergymen and cause them to bless carnal weapons of mass destruction against church members, soldiers of the same denominations on opposite sides of the battle lines?
Now if anyone thinks that our banks and governments are corrupt that is small fry to the corruption of the churches and so that is why the almighty has purposed to resume his authority over the earth. Compare psalm 2.
Greetings Bestway,
That sure is alot of questions. Basically, not everyone who says Lord Lord is a Christian. There have been many false brethern in the past and there are many now and there will be many in the future. This is why we need God's Word. Everything must be defined by the word of God. Whatever the Preacher/Teacher/Pope/Pastor/WatchTower/ or Whoever SAYS must line up with the simple reading of the text. When interpretation is needed the scripture itself will do the interpreting. The Scripture is the Final Authority.
That sure is alot of questions. Basically, not everyone who says Lord Lord is a Christian. There have been many false brethern in the past and there are many now and there will be many in the future. This is why we need God's Word. Everything must be defined by the word of God. Whatever the Preacher/Teacher/Pope/Pastor/WatchTower/ or Whoever SAYS must line up with the simple reading of the text. When interpretation is needed the scripture itself will do the interpreting. The Scripture is the Final Authority.
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robertgrist
Dualism is for children. Perception based on difference emphasized as opposites produces icons of the demonic and angelic in struggling opposition for the soul of man. I prefer my regard of god as the love I am and the love I see in you and in all things also. We all just do the best we can with what is before us to interact with. Without time to consider what is or is not right, its generally best to choose happiness over effects. If you are in turmoil over your beliefs you should consider happiness as a better choice or if that is too difficult, how about doing nothing...I like that a lot for solving problems...and if that fails...take a pill and reconsider this in the morning.
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| 13 years ago. Rating: 2 | |
Please feel free to copy my posts and use it to paste in a pat answer where appropriate or treat it as your own. Modify it if you like and use it with or without credit to me.
IamPamela313
Luke 4:4 (NIV)
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
bestway
IamPamela313
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
| 13 years ago. Rating: 2 | |
Hi Pamela,
Now I took the trouble to look up your profile and question list and it did not see to me that you practice the text you quoted. I know you are knowledgeable in scripture but there is a bit more needed.
Kind regards
Now I took the trouble to look up your profile and question list and it did not see to me that you practice the text you quoted. I know you are knowledgeable in scripture but there is a bit more needed.
Kind regards
Hi bestway:
How did you come to this conclusion that I do not practice the text I quoted?
Best regards :-)
How did you come to this conclusion that I do not practice the text I quoted?
Best regards :-)
Elitistprick
PEOPLELOVER
When did this become a Sunday School? Take your religious crap to some where that you can fire and brimstone to your hearts content.
You all make your own interpretations with no evidence but "Faith"
Who`s right who`s wrong not you, you "think" you are but if that makes you happy "follow blindly the folly of your mind" Just don`t do it here.
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You all make your own interpretations with no evidence but "Faith"
Who`s right who`s wrong not you, you "think" you are but if that makes you happy "follow blindly the folly of your mind" Just don`t do it here.
| 13 years ago. Rating: 1 | |
Greetings PL,
Why the nastiness?
This board is open to all questions and answers from all types of people. I thought you were a people lover? Or is that only to those who agree with you?
I believe this thread is clearly marked that it is about God. Why are you here if you hate the subject? Don't get me wrong, I am glad you have posted here, I welcome all opinions and answers, not that I agree with them all. Try to be more tolerant of others you don't agree with.
Now concerning "own interpretations". I have asked many times for you or anyone else to correct my views of the scriptures to no avail. If you could chose a passage that I have misrepresented and show me the correct application it would be most helpful to your argument or complaint.
Looking forward to your critique of the scriptures.
Why the nastiness?
This board is open to all questions and answers from all types of people. I thought you were a people lover? Or is that only to those who agree with you?
I believe this thread is clearly marked that it is about God. Why are you here if you hate the subject? Don't get me wrong, I am glad you have posted here, I welcome all opinions and answers, not that I agree with them all. Try to be more tolerant of others you don't agree with.
Now concerning "own interpretations". I have asked many times for you or anyone else to correct my views of the scriptures to no avail. If you could chose a passage that I have misrepresented and show me the correct application it would be most helpful to your argument or complaint.
Looking forward to your critique of the scriptures.
Why did I look at this question you ask FofG? To see if any sense had entered the forum. My reason for your perceived nastiness is you did not ask a question that was intended to provoke in put. You asked what on the surface was a question then proceeded to have a half a page of sermon not to answer the alleged question but to push your own religious barrow. Hence I said take your Sunday shool clap trap elsewhere.
I would consider your alleged question would contravene the rules of questioning in most areas.In regards my disputing your know all approach to the bible in your own writings you had to add words in brackets to make sense of what was meant.
As far as being a people lover I am, I just don`t abide fools easily. If you are happy in your believe so be it just don`t hide sermons for us poor sinners behind "pretend questions". Have the intestinal fortitude to say "THIS IS SERMON ON WHY WE NEED GODS WORD" Are you interested?" at least then it would be honest and not misleading. The big boy has his pencil on hand for entries about those who lie by default.
I would consider your alleged question would contravene the rules of questioning in most areas.In regards my disputing your know all approach to the bible in your own writings you had to add words in brackets to make sense of what was meant.
As far as being a people lover I am, I just don`t abide fools easily. If you are happy in your believe so be it just don`t hide sermons for us poor sinners behind "pretend questions". Have the intestinal fortitude to say "THIS IS SERMON ON WHY WE NEED GODS WORD" Are you interested?" at least then it would be honest and not misleading. The big boy has his pencil on hand for entries about those who lie by default.
Greetings PL,
I asked a question and then gave my answer. I believe this is allowed. It also seems to have produced quite a bit of input. So I think the question is a solid.
You said...."you had to add words in brackets to make sense of what was meant.".....
And I asked for any corrections if you believe my interpretations or applications are in error. I am still waiting on this.
You said...."The big boy has his pencil on hand for entries about those who lie by default."....
I thought you did not believe in a "Big Boy".
I asked a question and then gave my answer. I believe this is allowed. It also seems to have produced quite a bit of input. So I think the question is a solid.
You said...."you had to add words in brackets to make sense of what was meant.".....
And I asked for any corrections if you believe my interpretations or applications are in error. I am still waiting on this.
You said...."The big boy has his pencil on hand for entries about those who lie by default."....
I thought you did not believe in a "Big Boy".
I used the term big boy to imitate your scare tactics of "You are hell bound if you don`t believe what I believe" I thought it might help you to stop making assumptions about things you may believe whole heartedly but have no actual evidence or proof. As far as you making ,what I believe to be incorrect statements, I use "you" as a generlisation of so called believers in the interpretation of a book.
How could the world be created in 6 days? If Adam and Eve sinned so we pay the price why do animals also suffer? If A&E were the only people why did their children commit incest> If Noah built the ark and only 8 humans survived why did their offspring commit incest? How big was this ark., a lot bigger than the biblical stated size unless every thing was in miniature. How did all the animals get to the ark in the first place, and how did they know how to get there on time? Why do people in different parts of the world look different? You can`t say they evolved, you dont believe in evolution. Now there are a few starters to work on BUT I want you reply in laymens language not bible quotations. IF I see your answer in gobbly gook bible references my next reply to you will be NFCWBEI. No Further Correspondence Will Be Entered Into. If you can`t speak without spruking thou thy etc do not bother to reply. Write with answers not confusing convoluted references to a book you do not know the origins of.
How could the world be created in 6 days? If Adam and Eve sinned so we pay the price why do animals also suffer? If A&E were the only people why did their children commit incest> If Noah built the ark and only 8 humans survived why did their offspring commit incest? How big was this ark., a lot bigger than the biblical stated size unless every thing was in miniature. How did all the animals get to the ark in the first place, and how did they know how to get there on time? Why do people in different parts of the world look different? You can`t say they evolved, you dont believe in evolution. Now there are a few starters to work on BUT I want you reply in laymens language not bible quotations. IF I see your answer in gobbly gook bible references my next reply to you will be NFCWBEI. No Further Correspondence Will Be Entered Into. If you can`t speak without spruking thou thy etc do not bother to reply. Write with answers not confusing convoluted references to a book you do not know the origins of.
Greetings PL,
With all due respect PL, you are not capeable of understanding any answers to these questions in the state of mind you are in.
Examine yourself, when you find yourself a hopeless sinner in need of a loving God pray to Jesus and He will remove the veil from your heart.
May God help you find the Way.
With all due respect PL, you are not capeable of understanding any answers to these questions in the state of mind you are in.
Examine yourself, when you find yourself a hopeless sinner in need of a loving God pray to Jesus and He will remove the veil from your heart.
May God help you find the Way.
"you are not capeable of understanding any answers to these questions in the state of mind you are in."
My exact words to you!...irony.
My exact words to you!...irony.
...."My exact words to you!...irony.".....
Not quite Schubee, PL is an unbeliever having no indwellment of the Holy Spirit to direct him into the truth of God's Word.
My mind is set on Christ as the bible teaches us to be....
Not quite Schubee, PL is an unbeliever having no indwellment of the Holy Spirit to direct him into the truth of God's Word.
My mind is set on Christ as the bible teaches us to be....
A) were your remarks directed at me schubee? If so thanks for the input. F of G does your answer imply you are unable to answer the questions I posed on the ground that due to my present mental state I would not be receptive to more bible quotations that you can`t substantiate apart from your "belief". Sorry I said NO bible quotations didn`t I? Does this mean you have no logical explanation for my questions if you are not allowed to quote from the bible? Is that blind faith or misinformed information? Are you now not only a authority on the bible but a trained therapist on mental health?
No, to FOG.
The state of Mind meant to be as a whole, not just your bible mind, FOG. So it perfectly applies to you.
The state of Mind meant to be as a whole, not just your bible mind, FOG. So it perfectly applies to you.
Greetings PL,
You said...." F of G does your answer imply you are unable to answer the questions I posed on the ground that due to my present mental state I would not be receptive to more bible quotations that you can`t substantiate apart from your "belief". "
This is correct in part. My answers are based on God's Word. Man's wisdom is too unstable. This is why you see a few other Christians arguing with me, they do not see God's word as the final Authority on all matters of doctrine and life.
But God's word speaks of them....
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Tts 2:1 ¶ But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
Tts 2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine [shewing] uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Tts 2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
As you can see, I answer with God's word, that way those who oppose must deal with God's answers and not my own.
Some here say I misuse God's word, yet as you have witnessed, not one example of any misuse is ever given.
You said...." F of G does your answer imply you are unable to answer the questions I posed on the ground that due to my present mental state I would not be receptive to more bible quotations that you can`t substantiate apart from your "belief". "
This is correct in part. My answers are based on God's Word. Man's wisdom is too unstable. This is why you see a few other Christians arguing with me, they do not see God's word as the final Authority on all matters of doctrine and life.
But God's word speaks of them....
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Tts 2:1 ¶ But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
Tts 2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine [shewing] uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Tts 2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
As you can see, I answer with God's word, that way those who oppose must deal with God's answers and not my own.
Some here say I misuse God's word, yet as you have witnessed, not one example of any misuse is ever given.
OMG...you really are helpless. You misuse God's words all the time on every thread you post!
You answered nothing for a very good reason ,you know you are wrong but are driven by a fanatic desire to prove yourself to yourself. You say gods` word yet you have not a single shred of evidence that the bible is gods` word. It was written by scribes NOT by any god. The scribes claimed it was "the word of god' and the lost sheep followed the shepherd blindly hoping for something to believe in. Who can prove your god told the scribes what to write? You need to assess your belief.
Greetings Schubee,
"OMG...you really are helpless. You misuse God's words all the time on every thread you post! "
All you have to do is give us the correct application of the scripture I referenced. Any post, any time. You keep reitterating that I misuse the scriptures but have yet to offer any other application.
Keep telling me how I misuse the scripture and I will keep asking you to back it up.
God Bless!
"OMG...you really are helpless. You misuse God's words all the time on every thread you post! "
All you have to do is give us the correct application of the scripture I referenced. Any post, any time. You keep reitterating that I misuse the scriptures but have yet to offer any other application.
Keep telling me how I misuse the scripture and I will keep asking you to back it up.
God Bless!
Greetings PL,
You posted...."You answered nothing for a very good reason ,you know you are wrong but are driven by a fanatic desire to prove yourself to yourself. You say gods` word yet you have not a single shred of evidence that the bible is gods` word. It was written by scribes NOT by any god. The scribes claimed it was "the word of god' and the lost sheep followed the shepherd blindly hoping for something to believe in. Who can prove your god told the scribes what to write? You need to assess your belief. "
Why are you here arguing with me what God's Word says when you do not believe in God's Word? There is no way you can understand the bible's testimonies concerning your questions if you have not first believed that there is a God. It just won't work.
You ask me to explain all of those questions that bother you. How about the virgin birth? Do you expect there should be a scientific explanation as to how a woman over two thousand years ago could become pregnant without ever having been with a man sexually?
How about how God spoke and the world came into existence? Should I explain this one for you also taht you might believe? No one can come to God unless he first believes God exist. As I said before,
Examine yourself, when you find yourself a hopeless sinner in need of a loving God pray to Jesus and He will remove the veil from your heart.
May God help you uderstand why you exist.
You posted...."You answered nothing for a very good reason ,you know you are wrong but are driven by a fanatic desire to prove yourself to yourself. You say gods` word yet you have not a single shred of evidence that the bible is gods` word. It was written by scribes NOT by any god. The scribes claimed it was "the word of god' and the lost sheep followed the shepherd blindly hoping for something to believe in. Who can prove your god told the scribes what to write? You need to assess your belief. "
Why are you here arguing with me what God's Word says when you do not believe in God's Word? There is no way you can understand the bible's testimonies concerning your questions if you have not first believed that there is a God. It just won't work.
You ask me to explain all of those questions that bother you. How about the virgin birth? Do you expect there should be a scientific explanation as to how a woman over two thousand years ago could become pregnant without ever having been with a man sexually?
How about how God spoke and the world came into existence? Should I explain this one for you also taht you might believe? No one can come to God unless he first believes God exist. As I said before,
Examine yourself, when you find yourself a hopeless sinner in need of a loving God pray to Jesus and He will remove the veil from your heart.
May God help you uderstand why you exist.
You keep making the accusation Schubee but have not provided any corrections. If you are going to make the charges then show the correct application or interpretation of the scripture.
HI Schubee,
Maybe if you say it one hundred times it will make it come true for you.
Or, you could provide an example and then others can see you are not just casting stones.
Just one, only asking for one example of how I misused the scripture showing the correct application as evidence. Just one!
Maybe if you say it one hundred times it will make it come true for you.
Or, you could provide an example and then others can see you are not just casting stones.
Just one, only asking for one example of how I misused the scripture showing the correct application as evidence. Just one!
schubee
FOG.
Emotion? It's the "fact" that you don't seem to realize. How many times do we have to go through this?
I will tell you what. I bet you will never convert a single non-christian to your belief on this site, period.
And I can only ask you this,
Feel Jesus in your heart, not in your brain.
Be humble, do not try to "teach" Jesus to others, "show" them, not through your mouth, what Jesus taught us, why your belief is worth to consider.
They would follow you if you did that.
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Emotion? It's the "fact" that you don't seem to realize. How many times do we have to go through this?
I will tell you what. I bet you will never convert a single non-christian to your belief on this site, period.
And I can only ask you this,
Feel Jesus in your heart, not in your brain.
Be humble, do not try to "teach" Jesus to others, "show" them, not through your mouth, what Jesus taught us, why your belief is worth to consider.
They would follow you if you did that.
| 13 years ago. Rating: 1 | |
Greetings Schubee,
I find that doing both works best. We must show them the love of Christ and preach the word of Christ. In fact, God says that "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God".
Here is the word of God on this subject...
Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
According to God's word, those who preach the gospel are beautiful. And without preaching no one can be saved.
It puzzles me Schubee that you being a Christian are so against the teachings of God's word. You keep saying that I am misrepresenting God's word but you haven't given any example of where I have done so. I have posted plenty of scriptures for you to choose from. Just pick one and show us where I am wrong in my application. I am not beyond error. Christians should study God's word and sharpen each others knowledge of the scriptures.
I find that doing both works best. We must show them the love of Christ and preach the word of Christ. In fact, God says that "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God".
Here is the word of God on this subject...
Rom 10:14 ¶ How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
According to God's word, those who preach the gospel are beautiful. And without preaching no one can be saved.
It puzzles me Schubee that you being a Christian are so against the teachings of God's word. You keep saying that I am misrepresenting God's word but you haven't given any example of where I have done so. I have posted plenty of scriptures for you to choose from. Just pick one and show us where I am wrong in my application. I am not beyond error. Christians should study God's word and sharpen each others knowledge of the scriptures.
Cut the crap FOG.
You like to play with words, right?
I'm not against the teachings of Jesus. I'm against your interpretation and usage of them. How many times do I have to tell you? You keep coming back with the same your egoistic theory.
I never said preaching is not good. The words and actions should be balanced equally. But you seem to have your "words" predominantly occupied in your head and no show of heart. You don't get it, I know.
Why don't you just go around and knock your neighbors doors and do your mission? I have no time to waste my time talking to the deaf.
You like to play with words, right?
I'm not against the teachings of Jesus. I'm against your interpretation and usage of them. How many times do I have to tell you? You keep coming back with the same your egoistic theory.
I never said preaching is not good. The words and actions should be balanced equally. But you seem to have your "words" predominantly occupied in your head and no show of heart. You don't get it, I know.
Why don't you just go around and knock your neighbors doors and do your mission? I have no time to waste my time talking to the deaf.
Greetings Schubee,
I have asked you many times for the correct application or "interpretation" of the scriptures I provide and which you say I "interpret" wrong and you have yet to explain even one.
Can you explain this scripture for me?
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Does this scripture seem obscure to you?
I have asked you many times for the correct application or "interpretation" of the scriptures I provide and which you say I "interpret" wrong and you have yet to explain even one.
Can you explain this scripture for me?
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Does this scripture seem obscure to you?
No, not at all. It is YOU making all the bad impressions about what I believe to non believers. WAKE UP!!!
Greetings Schubee,
Can you give me one, just one, scripture that I have misinterpreted and then give us the correct interpretation?
You keep saying that I am misinterpreting the scripture. THis is fine and if it is true then you would have to know the correct interpretation in order to know that mine is wrong.
So please, once again, if my interpretations are wrong then just give the correct ones. Pick anyone you like that I have quoted and interpreted wrong and correct me, please!
The ones in John I gave are a good place to start. Does it mean Jesus is the only way to salvation or not? If not please explain why the scripture does not say this.
Can you give me one, just one, scripture that I have misinterpreted and then give us the correct interpretation?
You keep saying that I am misinterpreting the scripture. THis is fine and if it is true then you would have to know the correct interpretation in order to know that mine is wrong.
So please, once again, if my interpretations are wrong then just give the correct ones. Pick anyone you like that I have quoted and interpreted wrong and correct me, please!
The ones in John I gave are a good place to start. Does it mean Jesus is the only way to salvation or not? If not please explain why the scripture does not say this.
There are many, but again why should I waste my time arguing with someone like you? What's the good in this words game? You speak with closed mind already and I'm not going to convert to yours either, obviously. If I should say one, it would be simply the difference between your bible-only faith vs my beyond bible faith. Go preach to your neighbors. You are making a lot of people to think the whole christianism again in bad way.
Greetings Schubee,
You say, "there are many". Be honest, you know you cannot provide any, not one. For some reason, even though you believe you are a Christian, you do not like to hear the word of God spoken.
Jesus said that true worshippers of God will worship Him in spirit and in truth. The word of God is the truth and the Holy Spirit indwellment is the spirit.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Why don't you study the word of God?
Jesus said...
Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
How do you follow this Schubee if you do not read God's word?
You say, "there are many". Be honest, you know you cannot provide any, not one. For some reason, even though you believe you are a Christian, you do not like to hear the word of God spoken.
Jesus said that true worshippers of God will worship Him in spirit and in truth. The word of God is the truth and the Holy Spirit indwellment is the spirit.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Why don't you study the word of God?
Jesus said...
Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
How do you follow this Schubee if you do not read God's word?
You are pathetic. You don't listen to me, you just speak with whatever you think. You think I should prove something to you? You are helpless.
Greetings Schubee,
I must say that your post are not becoming of one who follows Christ. Just a loving rebuke.
Here is your accusation towards me Schubee....
"I'm against your interpretation and usage of them. How many times do I have to tell you?"
Can you give me just one wrong interpretation or usage you are reffering to and the correct interpretation or usage?
I am always open to correction, so why won't you correct me?
I must say that your post are not becoming of one who follows Christ. Just a loving rebuke.
Here is your accusation towards me Schubee....
"I'm against your interpretation and usage of them. How many times do I have to tell you?"
Can you give me just one wrong interpretation or usage you are reffering to and the correct interpretation or usage?
I am always open to correction, so why won't you correct me?
Why should I waste my time with a stubborn person like you?, sorry. I am good with my life and tired of you just like Colleen was. I just feel sorry to see a person who mistakenly and unknowingly combines self and the Jesus's words. You don't know what you are doing, Just keep your HEAD up and do whatever. I'll go my way, I don't care about you.Why should I care? LOL... Bye!
Love, Schubee....hmm I sound like someone.....
Love, Schubee....hmm I sound like someone.....
Greetings Schubee,
Is it I who is being stubborn?
I have said that I welcome your correction, but you will not give any. I have asked you some tough questions meant for you to examine yourself and hopefully draw closer to God through feeding on His word. I know exactly what I am doing, I am following the teachings of Jesus Christ which can only be found by reading the bible.
You should not cast accusations upon a person without being able to prove your points. If you really believe I am in error then you would try to show me the correct interpretations and apllications for the scriptures I have posted for supporting my views.
The disciples followed Jesus and hung on His every word. I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, why wouldn't I hang on His every word as well? Why don't you?
Is it I who is being stubborn?
I have said that I welcome your correction, but you will not give any. I have asked you some tough questions meant for you to examine yourself and hopefully draw closer to God through feeding on His word. I know exactly what I am doing, I am following the teachings of Jesus Christ which can only be found by reading the bible.
You should not cast accusations upon a person without being able to prove your points. If you really believe I am in error then you would try to show me the correct interpretations and apllications for the scriptures I have posted for supporting my views.
The disciples followed Jesus and hung on His every word. I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, why wouldn't I hang on His every word as well? Why don't you?
I read the bible at least three or four times a week, don't assume things and say. The bible is NOT the only way to Jesus's teachings. I know the bible is important part of christianity, but there are other things that inspire people. The bible only faith is very risky, because it leads to wrong beliefs, you are the example, that are not intended by Jesus. YOU become the preacher, not Jesus, and your ideas take a big part of your faith.
I showed you many times but you don't see it. You are blind. I asked you not to take the bible literally. I gave you an example of "love" word that everyone takes it differently. I asked who has authorities to interpret the bible? You are playing with it. It's yours, not others. Do you try to interpret your English bible? Who translated original Latin and Hebrew? You try to understand your English version of the words. Even my church, the most universal, is changing the important prayers now because of incorrect translations of Latin. And the interpretation comes from the studies by thousands of scholars, not one or two ministers.
You are using the bible, the words of Jesus, to fulfill your brain, not to appreciate. You are using it to show that you are right with the uncertain basis. That is why I say don't take it literally, try to see the meanings, the metaphor, don't take word by word, sentence by sentence, but to see the whole big picture.
I know I didn't have to answer you, but I did because of your arrogance.
I showed you many times but you don't see it. You are blind. I asked you not to take the bible literally. I gave you an example of "love" word that everyone takes it differently. I asked who has authorities to interpret the bible? You are playing with it. It's yours, not others. Do you try to interpret your English bible? Who translated original Latin and Hebrew? You try to understand your English version of the words. Even my church, the most universal, is changing the important prayers now because of incorrect translations of Latin. And the interpretation comes from the studies by thousands of scholars, not one or two ministers.
You are using the bible, the words of Jesus, to fulfill your brain, not to appreciate. You are using it to show that you are right with the uncertain basis. That is why I say don't take it literally, try to see the meanings, the metaphor, don't take word by word, sentence by sentence, but to see the whole big picture.
I know I didn't have to answer you, but I did because of your arrogance.
Greetings Schubee,
You have proven my point over and over now. That is, you have no understanding of the scriptures as to offer any interpretation or application thereof. You say I am wrong but have no "right" to offer. To take your approach to scripture is to conclude that no one can know the will of God or what He has said. In a popular phrase...to each their own.
God's word is very clear and meant for the common reader to understand. Whenever "interpretation" is needed the scriptures themselves do the interpreting, one only needs to compare scripture with scripture.
You said...."The bible is NOT the only way to Jesus's teachings"....
Can you give us another way?
You have proven my point over and over now. That is, you have no understanding of the scriptures as to offer any interpretation or application thereof. You say I am wrong but have no "right" to offer. To take your approach to scripture is to conclude that no one can know the will of God or what He has said. In a popular phrase...to each their own.
God's word is very clear and meant for the common reader to understand. Whenever "interpretation" is needed the scriptures themselves do the interpreting, one only needs to compare scripture with scripture.
You said...."The bible is NOT the only way to Jesus's teachings"....
Can you give us another way?
Luk 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you [from their company], and shall reproach [you], and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
You don't have to judge "evil". The one who is filled with LOVE do not judge or attack anyone or anything. The love itself will defeat the evil if it is real. So to speak, grow and show your love, then you don't have to preach here.
FriendofGod
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FriendofGod
| 13 years ago. Rating: 1 | |
Greetings Schubee,
I believe you would agree with me that the Bible is the Word of God. I see the difference between us is that I draw my conclusions from God's Word and you seem to discern things by your emotions.
For one, judging something as evil is not "attacking". You say we do not have to judge. Is this what you have learned from the word of God which you say you believe?
First of all, the knowledge of good and evil is present within all human beings, even without God's written word to direct us. This began with Adam and Eve....
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
Secondly, The word of God teaches us that there are good people and evil people....
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Jesus also called those gathering around him to listen to Him "evil"....
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Jesus also said that those who reject His Light and will not come to His light are evil...
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Thirdly, should we not judge evil? Well, as believers in God's word, what does God tell us to do? Should we not do as God instructs us to do? You have the first part right, be filled with LOVE, but the word of God goes a step further. Here it is....
Eph 5:1 ¶ Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Eph 5:8 ¶ For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].
God's word is very simple to understand, no mystery, we just need to read it and obey.
Now as for preaching, again, what does God's word say for Christians to do? Here it is....
2Ti 4:1 ¶ I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Now Shubee, you are a believer in Jesus Christ and God's word. Haven't I been obeying the word of God? Have I been doing the work of an evangelist? Have I repayed evil words with evil words? Have I not reproved evil and rebuked false doctrines?
Why do you lay charges against me? Shouldn't you as a Christian be joining me in an effort to teach others about the salvation found only in Jesus Christ? Urging the lost to come to the Light?
There are two groups of people in this world Schubee, lost and saved. Shouldn't the saved weep for the lost? Should we lie to them and tell them they are just fine?
God Bless you Schubee, I pray God brings understanding to you. He can and will, but you must read and submit to His word.
I believe you would agree with me that the Bible is the Word of God. I see the difference between us is that I draw my conclusions from God's Word and you seem to discern things by your emotions.
For one, judging something as evil is not "attacking". You say we do not have to judge. Is this what you have learned from the word of God which you say you believe?
First of all, the knowledge of good and evil is present within all human beings, even without God's written word to direct us. This began with Adam and Eve....
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
Secondly, The word of God teaches us that there are good people and evil people....
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Jesus also called those gathering around him to listen to Him "evil"....
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Jesus also said that those who reject His Light and will not come to His light are evil...
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Thirdly, should we not judge evil? Well, as believers in God's word, what does God tell us to do? Should we not do as God instructs us to do? You have the first part right, be filled with LOVE, but the word of God goes a step further. Here it is....
Eph 5:1 ¶ Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Eph 5:8 ¶ For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].
God's word is very simple to understand, no mystery, we just need to read it and obey.
Now as for preaching, again, what does God's word say for Christians to do? Here it is....
2Ti 4:1 ¶ I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Now Shubee, you are a believer in Jesus Christ and God's word. Haven't I been obeying the word of God? Have I been doing the work of an evangelist? Have I repayed evil words with evil words? Have I not reproved evil and rebuked false doctrines?
Why do you lay charges against me? Shouldn't you as a Christian be joining me in an effort to teach others about the salvation found only in Jesus Christ? Urging the lost to come to the Light?
There are two groups of people in this world Schubee, lost and saved. Shouldn't the saved weep for the lost? Should we lie to them and tell them they are just fine?
God Bless you Schubee, I pray God brings understanding to you. He can and will, but you must read and submit to His word.
So does this mean you are writing a book by hacking your way through the Bible and borrowing verses to arrange in an order that appeals to your slanted viewpoint so as to grease your whip with the blood and bone of Christ?
Greetings Robert,
Feel free to point out which passage of scripture I have misrepresented and show us all the correct application. I am always open to correction.
Feel free to point out which passage of scripture I have misrepresented and show us all the correct application. I am always open to correction.
In context, page after page and book after book. Having read the bible and other books too, I do not see any since in taking phases out of the context of the book to mix it into a strange order so as to wrap it into some unusual meaning or comprehension. To me that is the usurpation of the will and way of god. That is not what my religion is about. When asked about bible verses I respond that now is the only time there is. I live my faith today, right now and I respect our history. But I do not like being dragged from the origins of creation to the present time like a time machine under the control of mischievous children. Yesterday came and went already, I do not need a constant reminder of those events. But if it is your burden to maintain yourself on the cross of your salvation, day after day, year after year, lifetime after lifetime. Please help yourself and I will prey for your exhaustive experience of it to your complete satisfaction and endurance. Have at it.
Greetings Robert,
I will take that as a you have no idea what the bible says about God and life. Or at the least you do not believe it.
Feel free to point out which passage of scripture I have misrepresented and show us all the correct application. I am always open to correction.
I will take that as a you have no idea what the bible says about God and life. Or at the least you do not believe it.
Feel free to point out which passage of scripture I have misrepresented and show us all the correct application. I am always open to correction.
Your Way or Hells Way doesn't work with me BuB. Life is about choices and experience. My experience is Eternal, before there was time. Now is as close to the Eternal as there is...not yesterday and not tomorrow...right now. When I ask God about you...He says in name only. Like so many like you.
Greetings Robert,
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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How do we Know the person who is preaching to us is actually a 'saved' one ?
FriendofGod
| 13 years ago. Rating: 1 | |
Greetings Double,
Good question. If anyone preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ to you they should have the scriptures to back it up. If once having read the scriptures for yourself and find they misused the scriptures you can easily call them on it.
Good question. If anyone preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ to you they should have the scriptures to back it up. If once having read the scriptures for yourself and find they misused the scriptures you can easily call them on it.
Stockwiz
daren1
Well F of G I do know the answer to virgin birth but obviously from your answer to me you don`t. If you do know send your explanatuion to me. No he said she said just plain and simple how was it a virgin birth. Over to you.
FriendofGod
PEOPLELOVER
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Adreamer2
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FriendofGod
| 13 years ago. Rating: 0 | |
I know the biblical answer, but you are looking for a scientific unbiblical answer. Go ahead and give me your scientific answer.
There is no scientific answer but there is a answer which I welcome from you. What is the virgin birth? No need for bible references just a plain simple answer how was it a VIRGIN birth?
Virgin - "person who has never had sexual intercourse"
Mary, at the time she became pregnant with Jesus, had never had sexual intercourse with a man, she was a virgin. Thus, a virgin gave birth to Jesus.
Hope this helps.
Mary, at the time she became pregnant with Jesus, had never had sexual intercourse with a man, she was a virgin. Thus, a virgin gave birth to Jesus.
Hope this helps.
DO not take pleasure in telling you you are well off the mark. Mary was not hymen intacto, that is a myth of mankind not understanding the meaning of "virgin".
Think about it, does virgin wool mean the wool never had sex? Does virgin olive oil mean the olive oil never had sex?
The meaning of virgin is pure, unsullied and in this regard Mary was a "virgin" She had committed no crime against her God or any of mankind. She had not so much as thought a bad thought about even those who did not share her beliefs.
She was in short pure of heart and spirit. Pure being the true meaning of "virgin".Mankind in his distortion of the facts and because he was foolish decided that virgin meant "no nooky"
Mary and Joseph I am sure enjoyed a healthy clean intimacy as a pure loveing couple should.
How about them apples? My advise don`t distort fact to suit self.
Think about it, does virgin wool mean the wool never had sex? Does virgin olive oil mean the olive oil never had sex?
The meaning of virgin is pure, unsullied and in this regard Mary was a "virgin" She had committed no crime against her God or any of mankind. She had not so much as thought a bad thought about even those who did not share her beliefs.
She was in short pure of heart and spirit. Pure being the true meaning of "virgin".Mankind in his distortion of the facts and because he was foolish decided that virgin meant "no nooky"
Mary and Joseph I am sure enjoyed a healthy clean intimacy as a pure loveing couple should.
How about them apples? My advise don`t distort fact to suit self.
Are you implying that Mary must have had an illicit rendezvous sometime before meeting Joseph?
-Adreamer2
-Adreamer2
Adreamer what on earth are you on about? "are you implying Mary had an illicit rendezvou" Where for goodness sake in my statement did I imply that? I said " pure unsullied no crime against her god or man pure of heart and spirit" Bloody hell if you can find something offensive in those words no wonder you can`t interpret the bible correctly. What planet are you from?
Peoplelover,
I am to believe that a non-believer is going to tell the believers how to interpret the bible?
You said...."She had committed no crime against her God or any of mankind. She had not so much as thought a bad thought about even those who did not share her beliefs."
So Mary was sinless?
Your analysis of Mary does not line up with scripture. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Anyone knows that ever since mankind has existed when one speaks of a human being being a virgin they are speaking about never having sexual intercourse.
Why would you decide to throw out the historical definition known to mankind forever?
You'll lose this argument all day long.
I am to believe that a non-believer is going to tell the believers how to interpret the bible?
You said...."She had committed no crime against her God or any of mankind. She had not so much as thought a bad thought about even those who did not share her beliefs."
So Mary was sinless?
Your analysis of Mary does not line up with scripture. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Anyone knows that ever since mankind has existed when one speaks of a human being being a virgin they are speaking about never having sexual intercourse.
Why would you decide to throw out the historical definition known to mankind forever?
You'll lose this argument all day long.
My last comment on this matter, VIRGIN means what I said it means but for you to admit you are wriong would upset your self opinion. You say every one sinned, did christ? did god? It is for the very reason you say Mary NEVER sinned is why god chose her for the immaculate connception. N F C W B E I.
VIRGIN means what YOU say it means???
How about the English dictionary, Greek definitions, biblical definitions and the accepted difinitions from about 4000 years of history?
I believe I will have to pass on YOUR definition.
No, Christ being God did not sin, this is made perfectly clear in the scriptures. Mary was a sinner just like all who decended from Adam.
It does not matter if you comment any further or not, as I said, you will lose the argument all day long according to the historical facts surrounding the meaning of VIRGIN. NOT MY definition, but the historical accepted definition.
How about the English dictionary, Greek definitions, biblical definitions and the accepted difinitions from about 4000 years of history?
I believe I will have to pass on YOUR definition.
No, Christ being God did not sin, this is made perfectly clear in the scriptures. Mary was a sinner just like all who decended from Adam.
It does not matter if you comment any further or not, as I said, you will lose the argument all day long according to the historical facts surrounding the meaning of VIRGIN. NOT MY definition, but the historical accepted definition.
friendindeed
Its great to see schubee and FOG getting on so well. Lol
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FriendofGod
| 13 years ago. Rating: 0 | |
I'm so tired of talking to a deaf-blind person. He might have gotten rid of someone from here, but that doesn't work to me.
Greetings Friendindeed,
Maybe you could offer us some mediation? Schubee keeps accusing me of misusing the scripture, that's fine, I am open to correction, nobody is perfect, but I just would like for him to point to the misuse and give the correction. He could very well be right, but he needs to show the misuse!
Maybe you could offer us some mediation? Schubee keeps accusing me of misusing the scripture, that's fine, I am open to correction, nobody is perfect, but I just would like for him to point to the misuse and give the correction. He could very well be right, but he needs to show the misuse!
FriendofGod
bestway
In a recent survey it was discovered that there are circa 37,000 registered religions claiming to be Christian. Now if there is only One God, One Lord Jesus Christ, One faith, and One baptism. How come there are so many variations? (Particularly when the bible insists there are no variations)( See James 1v17)
You can find the answer to that at Revelation 12 v 12.
So before you start to criticize me (and there is plenty to criticize due to sin and imperfection common to all) this is not my answer it is Gods answer. Satan is misleading the entire inhabited earth through counterfeit religion and those who promote it.
Mr. FOG is very knowledgeable in some areas, but very misguided in others. Our adversary Satan whom Jesus called 'the ruler of the world' has had thousands of years to practice his art of deception while he remains cloaked from human eyes, human intelligence and human senses.(Compare 2 Cor. 4v4. John 12 v 31)
In Matthew 25 the resurrected glorified Christ, (Not Mr Fog) judges the Sheep from the Goats. It is interesting that the Goats refer to him a Lord. They say, 'Lord, have we not performed many powerful works in your name? They protest when were you sick and in prison and did not come to your aid? These people apparently are convinced they are Christians?
In reply the KING says, 'Truly in as much as you did not do this to the least of these my brothers you did not do it to me, Depart from me you workers of lawlessness.'
It varies a bit from translation to translation but it is clear that not all persons who claim to be Christians will be accepted by as Christian by the Glorified Christ much to their shock and horror.
The work of 21st Century real follows of Christ is a work of proclamation and separation.
FriendofGod
You can find the answer to that at Revelation 12 v 12.
So before you start to criticize me (and there is plenty to criticize due to sin and imperfection common to all) this is not my answer it is Gods answer. Satan is misleading the entire inhabited earth through counterfeit religion and those who promote it.
Mr. FOG is very knowledgeable in some areas, but very misguided in others. Our adversary Satan whom Jesus called 'the ruler of the world' has had thousands of years to practice his art of deception while he remains cloaked from human eyes, human intelligence and human senses.(Compare 2 Cor. 4v4. John 12 v 31)
In Matthew 25 the resurrected glorified Christ, (Not Mr Fog) judges the Sheep from the Goats. It is interesting that the Goats refer to him a Lord. They say, 'Lord, have we not performed many powerful works in your name? They protest when were you sick and in prison and did not come to your aid? These people apparently are convinced they are Christians?
In reply the KING says, 'Truly in as much as you did not do this to the least of these my brothers you did not do it to me, Depart from me you workers of lawlessness.'
It varies a bit from translation to translation but it is clear that not all persons who claim to be Christians will be accepted by as Christian by the Glorified Christ much to their shock and horror.
The work of 21st Century real follows of Christ is a work of proclamation and separation.
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"In Matthew 25 the resurrected glorified Christ, (Not Mr Fog) judges the Sheep from the Goats. It is interesting that the Goats refer to him a Lord. They say, 'Lord, have we not performed many powerful works in your name?"
Nowhere does the scripture ever say that these thought they were christians. This is a misguided assumption. Here is the assumption..."These people apparently are convinced they are Christians?"
So why do they call Jesus Lord? The Jig is UP!
They now know Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus is judging them. Time's UP! No excuses, nowhere to hide.
What is left for them to do but to try to plea ignorance? But it is too late. They never received the rebirth needed to be saved.
Jesus also spoke of those who never received His Spirit of salvation (ye must be born-again) but rather used His name for their own selfish gain, whether that be material things or cult leaders deceiving the people that they may control their money and behavior.
"Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Key words are "never knew you". One must have the SPirit of Christ living IN them that they may know Jesus as Lord or they will not be saved.
God Bless!
Nowhere does the scripture ever say that these thought they were christians. This is a misguided assumption. Here is the assumption..."These people apparently are convinced they are Christians?"
So why do they call Jesus Lord? The Jig is UP!
They now know Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus is judging them. Time's UP! No excuses, nowhere to hide.
What is left for them to do but to try to plea ignorance? But it is too late. They never received the rebirth needed to be saved.
Jesus also spoke of those who never received His Spirit of salvation (ye must be born-again) but rather used His name for their own selfish gain, whether that be material things or cult leaders deceiving the people that they may control their money and behavior.
"Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Key words are "never knew you". One must have the SPirit of Christ living IN them that they may know Jesus as Lord or they will not be saved.
God Bless!
Adreamer2
Here is the meaning. Whenever one is given instruction, they must first either SEE it, or HEAR it said. Then they must apply what they've heard through comprehension.
As that word is retold, it may lose it's true meaning, only if some other adds a word to it, or takes a word out of it. The very moment that this occurs, it is no longer the word that was first given. it becomes the one person who added an additional word or who had taken a word out of it. It becomes their word. Therefore, it is no longer the word that was first given, and thus, the meaning changes.
Very important to understand this concept if you want to learn to interpret a dream. Because if you change a word in it, it is no longer the dreamer's but becomes one's own word, the dreamer will no longer recognize the meaning in the interpretation because it is not what they have said.
The same with the Word of God. Should we add to or take away from the words that are written within the Scriptures, it is no longer the word of God. Thus we are divided in our understanding of the message because too many "religions' have taken out of it and added to it. So many "kinds" of Christian faiths, all differ on this precept of the Word of God. Teaching it in different ways.
They say the devil teaches confusion. It is where many religions have sprung up.
Your sister,
Ginger,
Adreamer2
Work1ders
As that word is retold, it may lose it's true meaning, only if some other adds a word to it, or takes a word out of it. The very moment that this occurs, it is no longer the word that was first given. it becomes the one person who added an additional word or who had taken a word out of it. It becomes their word. Therefore, it is no longer the word that was first given, and thus, the meaning changes.
Very important to understand this concept if you want to learn to interpret a dream. Because if you change a word in it, it is no longer the dreamer's but becomes one's own word, the dreamer will no longer recognize the meaning in the interpretation because it is not what they have said.
The same with the Word of God. Should we add to or take away from the words that are written within the Scriptures, it is no longer the word of God. Thus we are divided in our understanding of the message because too many "religions' have taken out of it and added to it. So many "kinds" of Christian faiths, all differ on this precept of the Word of God. Teaching it in different ways.
They say the devil teaches confusion. It is where many religions have sprung up.
Your sister,
Ginger,
Adreamer2
Work1ders
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Yes mine does. It also comes with out the demand to accept and repent. Your God's love has that condition. Your God's love is NOT unconditional. My God accepts even the "sinners" as you call them and let's them answer for their own errors and try, try again. My path surpass the religion built around Jesus. My God surpass the God you call Christ. I have found my way! May the blessings be.