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    Freedom of Speech: Drawing that line in the Sand

    -Nakoula Basseley Nakoula's recent 13-minute anti-Islam movie.


    -Holocaust denial


    -Yelling "FIRE" in a crowded movie theatre.


    Where would YOU draw the line ?

    +7  Views: 711 Answers: 7 Posted: 12 years ago
    digger

    Aren't violent civilians being rewarded by those that choose to be intimidated into imposing restrictions on our freedom of speech?

    7 Answers

    These people are not morons, despite the rubbish they produce.


    They must realize that what they are putting out there is going to


    further inflame emotions which are already running hot.


    Common sense says not to further provoke people but there


    are some in society who take great pains and joy in doing


    exactly that.

    digger

    Common sense also says that watching an unflattering video should not be just cause for murder. If you (any Muslim) don't like it, don't watch it.
    Dardaigh

    True but they have been programmed from birth to believe in their faith "unquestioningly". I am NOT defending them in the least but why antagonize? Will it change anything? Methinks not, only result in more bloodshed.
    digger

    Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" suffered a similar fate as the recent video. The 2 works are incomparable in terms of quality of content.
    Why should serious subjects be exempted from criticism? How can the subject be adequately debated if we prohibit any content that may be deemed offensive? The end result is simple. If you are member of any identifiable group who wishes to stifle any criticism against you, resort to terrorist activities. THAT will shut them up.
    Dardaigh

    I agree completely, Digger but as none of us know how to reverse hundreds of years of indoctrination, what is the solution? A third World War, where we all try to annihilate the people with whom we don't agree?

    Freedom of speech must have its limitations. Google must remove the video on Facebook, which they own. It is akin to yelling "fire" in a theatre, when there is none. It's "causing" riots, injuries, property destruction and deaths. It was just meant to inflame Moslems. You just cannot "mess with Islam." Many adherents take the Koran literally. Google is just so damned indignant.

    digger

    What if the film mocked Christianity of Buddhism, groups not likely to react as violently as some others? Would you advocate for its removal from Facebook?
    Clonge

    Digger: Yes, if I was a Christian or Buddhist, and was upset enough about it.I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one upset, so I would not be all alone.
    digger

    But you do know that there would be no discussion if the film wasn't about Islam.
    ed shank

    Don't know what country your from. Free speech is one of the rights that makes the US great. Rewrite the Constitution because a country resents what happens here, (producing a movie) they can go to hell.

    "FIRE" in a movie house should be the ONLY time ones speech rights should be punished.

    digger

    I agree and can't quite think of another scenario that would also qualify even though there likely are one or two.

    I belive that movie schould have been taken down immediately after its content cleary schow , that it was meant to stir up the muslim population. It happend before in Denmark in 2005, when cartoonists drew a picture of Mahammad with a bomb on his head. Protests rippelt through all muslim countries, just like it did this time. The cartoonists had to go in hiding,because they were threatend with death and the Prime Minister of Denmark called it a worst crisis than World war two.
    We dont seem to learn from past experiences. We do the same thing over and over again.

    If you support freedom of speech then you must take the bad with the good. However, that doesn't mean there are no consequences to what you say. We have slander and libel laws which don't stop you from saying something that demeans or denigrates a person as long as you are aware that there is a price to be paid. We are lucky to have a constitution that spells out our rights, but none of them are absolute. There are established parameters.

    I believe that speech that is supported by facts should be protected. While on the other hand, speech that is not capable of being defended by the facts of the matter, which is more someone's rant steeped in hatred or ignorance primarily intended to incite or provoke perhaps shouldn't be protected.


    But then again, the problem of exactly who is discerning the difference, and what exactly their motivations are to seek censorship of something will forever be the culprit threatening free speech. Beyond the forementioned, whether or not it is brought forth in the appropriate venue, would also be something to be very, very, seriously considered.


    It is much like the right of war protester"s speech being protected, which it should be. BUT, it has no place whatsoever being presented at or near the funeral of one our own who has given his life in defense of our country. I say this, in that the funeral isn't necessarily a public event, but is a ceremony to honor the fallen and their family for the most ultimate sacrifice an individual can ever make.


    Likewise, the seriousness,  consequences, or repercusions of yelling fire in an open and virtually empty field versus a crowded movie theater are distinctly different for obvious reasons. For in one instance, you can look at the perpetrator as simply being an idiot, while on the other hand the possibility exists that you would be looking at a potential criminal for having directly and unequivocally incited something that resulted in the injury or death of innocent people. 

    I feel like you are taking to me directly.  I was talking to a mental health worker yesterday and as i have been out-raged about comments on my time line saying I worked as a 10# hooker  and has been deleting comments to my friends- I only have people I know on my facebook-- she said give it a few days and if she hasn't  stopped by then she would send cops and a mental health worker, to her house.  However,she has 4 kids--and her husband wouldn't be allowed to keep them-- due to abuse in the past. 8cops and mental health worker said yes he did do what he was accused of.  She divorced him with-in a short time she got pregnant by a guy who only wanted her for sex. We were moving to WA so in a couple of months she was up here too.Her now Ex-hubby came to visit and promised the boys he wouldn't do it again,and she remarried him& had another kid.



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