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    Do you think the principal’s decision to ban a fifth grader’s speech on same-sex marriage was fair?

    It was a class assignment and the topic could be virtually anything. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/06/15/walcott-fifth-graders-speech-supporting-same-sex-marriage-nixed-by-principal-will-go-ahead/

    +3  Views: 1267 Answers: 14 Posted: 12 years ago

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    No, it was not fair and neither is the compromise. Gay marriage is legal in New York where this boy goes to school. His freedom of speech was denied. The compromise is not any better than the ban. Separate but equal does not work. This is the compromise. He can give his speech but separate from the majority of the kids who would have heard it on the day he was suppose to give it. His speech was about tolerance and acceptance. Not about what the married couple do in the bedroom. NY kids have to get use to it. Homosexual marriage is legal in NY and these couple s have kids in school from kindergarten on up. This boy wanted to educate that these kids should not be picked on, bullied or harassed because they have legally wedded same sex parents. You can't hide homosexuality Randy. That closet does not have a door anymore. Kids can and do find it on the internet now. They are educating themselves when their tiny minded parents don't. 

    I would fully expect both teachers and principals, to be far more aware of the topics which are currently discussed by school children.  Children should be given guidance at school with the boundaries firmly in place.  Giving free rein to kids to "discuss any topic" in a speech, seems to be rather foolish in the first place.  Think of the endless possibilities!

    Headless Man

    And I'm sure this was not the idea of a fifth grader...JMO
    Ducky

    Moderator
    Maybe...maybe not. Kids are more knowledgable today, than ever before and they learn PLENTY from tv and computers.
    lindilou

    That's for sure Ducky! That is exactly what Slade (the child in question) said...and I quote>>>"Slade said his speech calls for acceptance and tolerance of gay couples, and added he hopes parents talk with the children about same-sex marriage, because, in his words, “it’s out there.”

    “They can sneak stuff. They can search it on the computer. They can watch it on the news,” Slade said." >>>>From the mouths of babes!!!

    And so it begins again...Just another attempt to stifle the truth! I'm glad he gets to do the speech but not so much about the way they went about it and the fact that it will be a "special" assembly versus a public one! The truth shall reign...just when exactly is another question...

    If the topic can be virtually anything, the student should have been allowed to proceed.  This is just an opinion of one child.  The school created the rules, they must abide by them.  However, before the next assignment, the school may modify the rules (before the assignment is given to the students).

    Sorry no 5th grader should be talking about Sex and marriage of any kind, and the teacher who assigned it should have said so.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    You didn't read the article did you? Nowhere in his speech was sex mentioned. It was about accepting homosexuals and homosexual marriage in a state where homosexual marriage is legal. (New York)

    "Sorry no 5th grader should be talking about Sex and marriage of any kind"

    Would you stop him from making a speech about his parents marriage or any other heterosexual marriage?

    Careful, your prejudice is showing. You know, the prejudice you try to hide while claiming to support gay unions (but not marriage, yes, we know).
    Headless Man

    Know, I didn't read it but a 5 greader hasn't lived long enought to have any experance about marriage peroid. Even his mother and dads.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Wow, you must have been a delayed 5th grader when you were a child. A child of 10 would know something about marriage. Did your parents never talk to you? You're not smarter than a 5th grader, are you?
    Headless Man

    I'm not talking about IQ i'm talking about life experience......
    Colleen

    Moderator
    One does not need to be married to understand marriage. They just need to know married people and hear and see what married people go through. Kids are ideal to learn this as for the most part, they live with married people.
    Headless Man

    Kids only have limited experience, end of comment.......
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Enough to write an essay that you did not read. Really Randy, it does not hurt to open your mind. Try it sometime instead of being such a demanding grouch that the world only operate from your limited perspective. You are stomping all over freedom of speech by denying this boy his chance to show exactly what he does know. You've judged him before he's even had the chance to prove to you just how smart he may be. I'm still looking for some kind of humanity in you. All I ever see is condescending judgment. Jesus must be proud.
    ed shank

    I agree, a fifth grader should not be discussing that topic in a classroom. Not every kid that age is able to comprehend that there are alternatives to what is considered a conventional marriage relationship. This subject is better addressed by parents, and not a fifth grader.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Really? What about the first grader who has two dads or two moms? Are you going to tell him he can not talk about them in school? That on mothers day or fathers day he will not be able to make a card for them when all the rest of the class is making one for their mom or dad? Are you boys really so scared of homosexuality or homosexual marriage? Do you think that if children learn that there are homosexuals in the world and getting married they will go gay too? STEP INTO THE YEAR 2012 boys! HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE IS HAPPENING AND OMG, THE KIDDIES ARE FINDING OUT! SHOCKER! I used the word boys intentionally because your thinking is that of naive little boys thinking homosexual marriage is going to hurt anyone. Thank God (the real God) for the new generation. They are more open, accepting and don't have the homophobic hang ups this generation still has.

    The closet door is open! You can't close it again! Too bad for you.
    ed shank

    I have no issue with same sex marriages and have made that clear on more than one occasion. What can a fifth grader possibly say to a naive classmate who simply is, at that young age not aware that same sex unions exist? I made no mention of sex in my comment by the way. There is no right time to discuss this issue, it depends on the circumstances and the individual. I have no idea how his assignment would have read. Did you get a copy of it? I want to make a comment in regards to acceptance of homosexuality. If you think this up and coming generation will react any different then the last ten generations, your kidding yourself. Some will, most won't.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    You're not in touch with the up and coming generation, are you? Again, same sex marriage is legal in New York. If it was something that should be hidden from the children, then it would not be legal. This is ridiculous to even say the kids should not know about gay marriage when it's happening and real in the state this boy goes to school in. It's just as ridiculous as if someone were to claim that children with married homosexual parents should not be allowed to go to school with children of heterosexual parents. Heaven forbid they mention to their classmates that their daddies or mommies are married! Would you have the school expel the child of a homosexual couple for mentioning his parent are married? This is basically what both you and Randy are saying. Kids in school should not mention, marriage, gay or same sex marriage. The only way to stop them that I can think of is to punish them. Would you back punishment for kids mentioning it to classmates? Would you back the idea of separating children of same sex parents from the kids from heterosexual parents? Separate but equal does not work and the kids today know a hell of a lot more than you did in your day. They know homosexuals exist. In NY, they now know they even get married.
    ed shank

    What in hell are you reading in what I'm saying? I made no mention of segregation, expulsion. If all the states made same sex marriage legal you would still have an overwhelming majority of people who would have an opinion on this subject other than yours. As long as organized religion exists, there will be opposition to same sex marriage. You will not change the mind of homophobes. They are entitled to their opinion on this issue same as you. Your comment implying that I'm out of touch with this generation, I think not. I taught for high school for many years. Young homophobes are still alive and well.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    By agreeing that it should not be discussed in school's then logically, what I added would be the nest steps in keeping kids from talking about it. The opinion of the homophobes hurt this little boy. I will not allow or accept their opinion just like they tried to not allow or accept that boys freedom of speech! How long have you been out of the teaching environment? It's changed a lot in the last 10 years. Kids are fighting old dinosaur thinking when it comes to homosexuality. STRAIGHT kids are fighting it! The kids are pushing the agendas and demanding classes that discuss tolerance. If they can't get a regular class, they are demanding to hold their own classes and they are winning. They are putting together their own groups in schools. We are moving forward towards the world that God wants. One where everyone accepts the differences and embarrasses all. The churches will have to change to move into this new world or die off. God backs none of them.
    ed shank

    Churches will never conform to the "NEW" thinking on this subject. Tolerance is a wonderful thing though. Unfortunately racism is alive and well also, as is interracial dating/marriages still today. I don't know the area you in, but students "demanding" classes in tolerance is not something that would be considered by the school board here. It took a long time for the dinosaurs to die out by the way. Your obviously a liberal and I am not. I hope history proves everything I've said here wrong. But I really doubt it.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Never say never. There is still a higher power at work in this universe. I trust in that. I don't know where you live but I feel sad for the people you live around if they are still so prejudice. God does not like prejudice. Kids are more open minded today than their parents whether you want to believe that or not. The open minded kids are taking it apon themselves to educated the close minded ones. Close mindedness is becoming very uncool in today's society.
    ed shank

    I hope your right, and time will prove me wrong. One thing for sure, at my age and condition I won't see it.
    eggplant

    Go dunk your head.

    I think that we should let anybody, children included, what the rules are from the start of the game or speech.  If they said no restriction, that is what it should be. However!!! Many people do not want their 5th graders to hear a sex related topic.  That is good.  Kids get too much exposure to too many things at too young an age.  Before they are ready to digest it properly.  Teacher sould have thought ahead regarding boundaries allowed for the speech.  Otherwise this is what you get. We all must live with things that we do not think through.  Now teachers are not the highest paid people, but that do ok.  So part of teaching includes what are the ramifications of what i am asking my students to do.  Wake up teachers.  Don't blame the kid for this. 

    Colleen

    Moderator
    His speech is not about sex. It's about acceptance and tolerance and love. Gay marriage is legal in his state. It's not a secret. Kids of gay parents go to those schools. This boy is acting more responsible than the parents and adults are. He's trying to teach tolerance so his classmates don't get bullied. There was no sex mentioned in his speech. Gay marriage is not about sex. It's about love. Why do you people only want to attach sex to gay marriage but forget to mention it when straight marriage is mentioned? Should we not speak of marriage at all because it's now a sex topic?
    tabber

    Colleen you are right. But as soon as one says, "same sex" people associate it with sex. Now for me I don't have a problem with his talk. But many parents would. But once again. There were no rules for writing the speech, so whatever he wrote should have been accepted. My viewpoint is love is love what ever shape or form it comes in. If two people of the same sex love each other, that is great! They deserve a metal for stepping out of the norm and seeing love from a broader viewpoint. Many people seek love and many cannot not find it. So God bless us all, the loved and the loveless, no matter what shape form or fashion one decides to take. Every one deserves the right to love who or what they please. Some people are marrying plastic dolls.

    From the somewhat confusing article, it does appear the student followed the rules and took the assignment seriously.  I didn't like the student being referred to as "he" in some paragraphs and "she" in other parts of the article.  The name "Slade" was the only one given for the student (that I saw); confusing for me. 
    Personally, the student followed the guidelines and the speech should have been accepted.  

    The student worked within the guidelines set forth and this child has to learn a lesson just as my eldest daughter had to learn.  In my daughter's case she could not create an elephant (her favorite animal) for an art project that was anatomically correct ( a male elephant )... and this child has to hear, "Ssssshhhhhh, don't talk about Mommies being married to Mommies and Daddies being married to Daddies!".


    A special presentation... give me a break.


    My daughter had to cut the penis off the elephant... apparently there are no male elephants permitted in school!

    doolittle

    That is silly!
    doolittle

    ..about the elephant!

    Hmmm- the "schools are trying to promote understanding and decease bullying-  I think this is a great topic for both!!!!  Th school officials are dead wrong!!!

    Good for the kid!!..And imho his peers..Not so good that there are parents who still live in the Dark Ages..this kid is giving his speech to educate O kids(thou )Personally I think  a lot of the parents need educating...NOT pushing their Biases ON kids!!:-(..The speech is from the child`s heart about non-predjudice!!...WHY send your kids to school at all if it`s not about teaching them open-mindedness...??!...I`m totally open with my kids..No topic is off bounds and they are cool with that..Kid`s who are not ready to "Take on a topic"...then in my experience..they won`t take interest until they are ready!!....As a parent..isn`t it OUR responsibility to be honest with are kids...(Hiding away topics which don`t make the ADULT feel comfortable will leave the kid feeling more confused!!..I THINK SOME PEOPLE DON`T GIVE THEIR KIDS ENOUGH CREDIT re how children much kidsare capable of taking on board!...They`ll learn at their own rate...LIVE and LET LIVE!!..I admire this kid!!:-)

    Colleen

    Moderator
    The kid needs a medal.
    gracelost

    right on colleen! right on! free speach!

    The  principal should be fired and replaced by wonderdyke. 

    Clonge

    or Colleen!

    The teacher left the subject open. If the subject and content of the speech was not received well, then the fault lies with the teacher who expressed that there was no limit to a topic. Not an effective way to run a class. Nor am I pleased that the school is teaching the entire fifth grade to feel one way about marriage when there is clearly more than one. What is the lesson that was learned from all this?

    what country do they live in? if its america its out right to free speech! so...the prince can build a bridge and get over it...wooooow havnt used that fraze in a long time lolz

    lindilou

    I love Prince Gracelost! Purple Rain...too cool! AND he lives in America AND he has the right to free speech...and singing!!! LOL ;D
    gracelost

    hahahahahaha! yes lou i knew you would get it!

    Oh, fifth graders shouldn’t be writing about any sex.  All they “should” do at the age is whisper to their same-sex friends, and talk to their parents.  


     

    itsmee

    Headlessman, I didn’t see your answer. gmta. : )


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