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    ARE PEOPLE BORN EVIL?

    Part of a caption on TV referring to the neo-nazi on trial in Norway for the mass murders ---

    +11  Views: 1684 Answers: 21 Posted: 12 years ago
    lindilou

    I once also wondered if brain injury could cause someone to be evil....or brain disease...had a sister-in-law who was pure evil...she died of a brain tumor and we all wondered about that...
    millie111

    lindilou..Yes a brain injury/stroke or brain tumo(U)r can result in severe personality changes sometimes...stroke,often out of sheer frustration at not being able to do the things you could before often without much/some help...I had a Great great aunt for a day!:-(...SHE MARRIED MY G G UNCLE,A LOVELY MAN!!...No one understood at the time why she acted so outrageously...she did stuff like return wedding gifts,(Which people had chosen with great loving care..even though they didn`t have much money)..AND screamed abuse and insults at the guests..and was carried out blind drunk!(hence causing the family immense embarassment!:-o AND HORROR!!..The marriage was annulled and it was a short time later that she was diagnosed and died of a brain tumo(u)r!!:-(...That explained a lot...and although not a totally happy ending...My Uncle later went on to marry her sister and lived very happily for 50 plus years!!!:->
    Bob/PKB

    My dad had cancer in his early 40's, losing lymph and saliva glands and undergoing chemotherapy. The doctor told my mom my dad's personality might change after all that. She said it did; where he had been a cheery, lovable sort, he became quiet and introspective. Chemical imbalance, brain trauma, and even birth events (prematurity, fetal alcohol syndrome, born with drugs among them) can alter a person's personality in ways we can only ponder.

    21 Answers

    The guy you're talking about is Anders Breivick he is a Norwegian White Supremacist who is currently on trial for murdering 77 men women and children in Norway.


    Personally I believe this man is pure evil having watched the trial daily, he has absolutely no remorse for his crimes and regrets that he didn't murder more people.


    This man is evil, whether he was born this way is another matter!


    Google his name and read. It's astonishing what he did.

    bulletman

    Romos, i agree, he honestly believes he didn't murder them, he was just getting rid of them, no remorse, no emotions whatsoever.
    lambshank

    psychopaths I think are born,not made (environment) with the desire and need to kill

    Au contrare!! I think it is very possible!!!We just hate to admit it!

    hector5559

    You sond like David Jason ,in fools and Horses,
    lambshank

    I think you are right
    Chiangmai

    Interesting. Who's to argue with you, lindilou? You're one the best and the brightest here.
    lindilou

    I never argue! I'm just very reasonable during those moments when I'm not completely looopy! heehee!
    p.s. thanks for the perks! ;)

    I don,t believe for one moment that children are born evil. Neglect and abuse at an early age will produce an adult who has shut down feelings or compassion for anyone, because it was never shown to them.

    Chiangmai

    I agree, Ann, with the exception of one: my neighbor. He was evil at conception. I am quite sure of that.
    Ann

    Must be hard to liuve next door to someone like that. Its hard to understand, what makes people behave that way.

    Nurture/nature is the biggest factor in how a child grows up but I do also believe that brain injury/disease plays a part in a person's personality.


    I've also read Dr. Amen and his research into the brain ( I believe Lindilou mentioned him in a different thread) and his imaging of brains with different problems is interesting.


     

    Ducky

    Moderator
    I've seen Dr. Amen on tv, speaking re: his topic called "Change Your Brain, Change Your Life". What an interesting speaker he is.
    Dardaigh

    Yes, I found his book, with all the examples of brain MRIs (or whatever the imaging is called) quite fascinating.

    Hockey players and wrestlers behaviour often change due to head trauma.
    Ducky

    Moderator
    Yes, and football players as well.
    Dardaigh

    I'm glad they make children wear helmets to ride their bikes these days. How'd the lot of us manage to get through childhood? lol
    Ducky

    Moderator
    Go figure...no helmets, drove on gravel roads, rode home at dusk with no lights, two on a bike sometimes, and no hands just to prove that we could do it...wow...still alive! lol
    Dardaigh

    Two on a bike is so true! Not sure if we damaged the thing riding on the handlebars but it sure was fun.

    Wow, bulletman, what a question!  
    I don't think a baby is born evil from the get-go.  I think there is a propensity (possible genetic) that makes someone more likely to be "evil".  Society and environment can stimulate the growth of that evil.  
    Given the wrong conditions, evil can flourish....Charles Manson, Ted Bundy come to mind. BUT, both had some serious charm; gotta wonder how that works. 

    bulletman

    MsBob,even Hitler had charisma, that 's how he sucked the German people into do his will.
    Bob/PKB

    No doubt Hitler had charisma, and Manson, Koresh, Jones, and countless others who, while maybe not BORN evil, mastered it to great destruction of those around them. :(

    Orthodox church say that humans are not born  with original sin and people do bad thing because of  bad decision. Babies are pure. World is what it is because of bad decisions humankind has done.

    Evil is a choice not a circumstance.

    i to have to agree with russrocks in that all people are born good and circumstances dictate the future outcome.tricky subject though and hard to prove either way.

    doolittle

    That's why i added the environmental thing...it seems that sociopaths develop in nuturing environments as well as horrid ones...seriously time for them to find a medication that works!!!!!! Sad.
    doolittle

    Very tricky..they are starting to test babies for genotypes (etc) to see if they can note the presence of likely disease...so parents can be aware. However, they need treatments for many and they need to pin down environmental factors that turn on the genes. They also need medications kids can take safely!!!! The medical community is a long way from truly figuring out genetic problems and treatments for them.
    doolittle

    Well, I got crapy genes .... don't know if life would have been different had they known as a baby these thigs would happen- Useless negative info. without childhood meds or environmental knowledge- But I would not have liked living in a "bubble" - so, it is what it is (at least I'm not evil!!!)

    I believe people are born evil. I don't think it's the conditioning of growing up in wrong conditions. Maybe that helps, but I think it's in their genes from birth. It's called karma.


     If I take a look backfor  centuries in our family, I can see the genes giving me and other members, art, music, craft, writing, business and dressmaking. It is not something learnt from others, it was always there. None of us knew this until we did research into the family and their occupations.


    By the way, none were evil.

    I believe that people are born with the genetics to have mental health issues- a sociopath being one type...and environment as a child has varied from very caring to abusive....So, yes people are born sociopaths- and sociopaths do as they please with no remorse!!!! They exibit signs of Pure Evil.

    bowlesy

    i dont disagree with your logic about the genetics and social problems but i still think babies are born neither good nor bad but are shaped by circumstances ,possibly a bit of both
    bowlesy

    as you say sad,every birth a potential time bomb.tricky.
    bowlesy

    genetics and gene mapping are still in there infancy but progress is slow but sure, on to the voodoo subject of genetic engineering ,makes me glad i`m just mildly mad.

    Certainly not.  All people are born good.  It is only the horrible circumstances of life that cause people to become evil.  Abusive or neglectful parents, rough neighborhoods, gangs, drugs, etc.  all contribute.  Evil is a result of nurture, not nature.

    lambshank

    Age old question
    mycatsmom

    Russ, you're back ?

    We really don't know.  It's like can you see an angel and do we know if its really there.  But what I think if I had to guess is, no people are not born evil.  From my personal observations and study, evil things happen to little children and they pass those evil experiences on to others once they mature.

    I believe some people are just born evil. It may not manifest until later in life but call it a "bad seed". Charles Whitman for example was a boyscout leader...............

    itsmee

    I'm agree with you, Julie. Catch the old movie, The Bad Seed. Good mom with a very bad kid. Eeeek.

    I'll have to agree with lindilou.. yes I think it's in our hearts,perhaps it just manifests itself in different ways for different people..

    i'm not sure.

    I think both, I think psychopaths, sociopaths, etc  are born, not all may act on their desires but given the right circumstance and conditions they will, throughout history their have been some grisly inexplicable crimes, some of which may well have come from adversity, others not

    Here's a Catholic viewpoint:


    Nature vs. Nurture – Are some kids born bad?


    Posted on May 2, 2011 by Daily Catechist


    The morning started off with yet another coffee maker discussion on the role nature plays in turning out good kids. Despite mountains of literature and academic study to the contrary, some of the more narcissistic among us still believe that nature is more important than nurture, and if their kids have turned out less than ideal, it wasn’t because of anything they had done or had failed to do. As evidence to support their stand, these parents cite the case of families where two or three or four kids will be model citizens while one sibling takes the wrong road and ends up being the family’s black sheep. Surely all of us know at least one family that falls into that category. The argument continues “same parents, different kids – must be the kids.” The bad apple, a bad seed, etc…


    Taking the nature route, however, discounts the role God plays in our creation. From the simple adage “God doesn’t make junk” to the more complex “Imago Dei”, that is we are all created in the image and likeness of God, it becomes clear that nurture is a much more important factor in developing kind, compassionate, ethical and moral children than genetic predisposition ever could be.


    Children are not “born” bad. Likewise, children are not “born” good, either. Children are simply born, to parents that will either accept the stewardship God has thrust upon them or to parents that will ignore their responsibilities in lieu living for themselves, without the worry of whether they will be held accountable for how things turn out.


    But we will be held accountable. Every child, every teenager, every adult is born in the image and likeness of God. What holds true for Mother Teresa holds true for Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein. It’s how these children are raised, by their parents, their communities, their experiences, that forms them, shapes them, molds them into the people they become. Good kids happen because parents commit themselves to being there for them. Good parents spend time with their kids. Good parents think about their kids before theythink about themselves. Good parents know what it means to be the bad guy. Good parents know that it is more important that they love their child than to be their “friend”. And good parents know that faith formation is about more than making sure the kids receive their sacraments “on time”.


    So the next time your child does something you’re not particularly proud of, take a look in the mirror before you light into them. If you don’t like what you see, use this opportunity to discipline yourself as well as your child. Learn from the experience and let your child know that you too are capable of making mistakes AND that you are not afraid to admit when you are wrong.


     

    Headless Man

    I don't believe Russrocks meant to compare Mother Teresa to Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein, but to show the great difference.
    Shootah

    Until that Catholic church can clean up the mess of pedophile priests and bishops having been covering things up for years, I wouldn't exactly go running around espousing anything that religion promotes. If you ask me, that's about as evil as it gets! Maybe that church should take a good long look in a mirror, and discipline itself!

    I think the good come with the bad! latter in life we make our own choice.

    doolittle

    There have been children as young as 2 who have killed family pets and set houses on fire- knowing what they were doing. Is 2 later in life???

    if you have ever felt the innocence and fragility of a child you couldnt ask such a question children often act upon what they see or hear especially at a young age we talking as a parent are a very big influence on our children and we help them take a direction in life good or bad we still have a big part to play but i agree that sometime some people do all that's in their power  to help their child take the right road in life but the child has the biggfewst part to play in this he decides who to listen to his parents or maybe his or hers friends it probably feels  cooler if  u give more importance to your friends words it might be the coolest  but not the wisest decision !

    Again, X&Y chromosome.

    I believe the possibility exists for more than one twisted path to the same end, with some people having a darker and more maniacal nature, making them capable of savoring what repulses most others. 



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