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    Now I understand why power corrupts people...it shows their true selves..

    READ MY OTHER NEW POST PLEASE IF YOUR INTERESTED IN THIS MATTER.  :) 

    +8  Views: 2556 Answers: 10 Posted: 13 years ago
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    doublehelix

    :O
    doublehelix

    :)
    Colleen

    Moderator
    This went beyond freedom of speech. This was him trying to tear me down and "heal" me. This was him ignoring my opinions and pushing his agenda on me in a crude and arrogant manner. If you are willing to accept that, then you're right, the people of this forum have changed or perhaps are showing THEIR true self and this is not a place I need to be.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    "I want Freedom Fighter back, come back and fight for what's yours."

    What exactly would this be? His right to tell me I'm sick? That I have a demon inside me? That I have a curable disease? So curable that only he and a few others can cure me of it? You see that as his right to stand up for? Now I have to understand you were never really my "friend". You have been judging me also. Thanks.
    doublehelix

    read under your post

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    I don't understand what's going on. I do believe everyone should have a right to their own belief, point of view and difference of opinion. That said, Come back, Freedom Fighter!  We Want You Back!

    "kill the king when love is the law", what happened to the right to agree to disagree, what next should we burn the constitution! certainally we all won't agree on everthing thats what makes this world go around.censorship is the gateway to communism, we can see how that worked out.this once was a site of moral  demoracy now i now i don't stand alone. i'm with freedom fighter on this .soon enough you can debate the evelotion of monkeys verses robots.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    You need to understand first what went on. She was not censoring, she was trying to stop a verbal assault on me.

    6dogs was in no way censoring FF. She was trying to get him to back off me. I am not sick. I do not have a disease no matter what ANY CHRISTIAN AND THEIR BIBLE thinks! I have never asked to be "cured". I did not ask to be "cured". He took it apon himself to belittle me and continue to come at me telling me he knew me better than I knew myself, that he knew my homosexuality better than I knew it myself. He REFUSED to hear my words that I did not need healing. He continued to try and push his healing on me. Once he found out I would not accept his voo-doo witch doctoring, that's when he said, there's nothing more I can do here. I've decided to leave the forum. So, what was that all about? Was that him saying he was only here to try and cure me? He believes he is an angle sent by God to heal people. I am not a Christian so do not believe in his God. Why would he believe he would have the right to try and tear me down saying he knows how I was made? I know God gave me this homosexuality for HIS reasons. It is MY GIFT FROM HIM! No self proclaimed "angel" is going to take it from me. It's my life experience! Leave it to me and stop worrying about it! This means everyone who thinks their prayers or judgment can heal me or "save" me! I have nothing to be healed from or saved from except maybe judgmental people who have closed arrogant minds. Period!


     

    6dogs4us

    I did not censor Freedom Fighters opionions. I asked him to stop attacking Colleen personally. There is a difference. I asked Freedom Fighter to stop, he ignored my request.

    The administrators didn't develop this website for any other reason than for people to ask questions and others to give answers. The very fact that this question ended up being an assault and not a discussion is the reason I felt that I needed to step in. Colleen had asked Freedom Fighter to stop "badgering her" and he refused to stop.
    carmaxable

    although i do pray for everyone on this site, i only pray for your well being and any diseases or problems you have. not for
    "healing" of something that is God given.
    doublehelix

    The admins can kick me out

    You can tell them that...

    It's alright you and 6dogs should stay

    Either way I don't really care :)

    Life is too short for hatred
    doublehelix

    Seems like me pointing out a fact has turned into a big misunderstanding for you

    I wasn't pointing hatred towards you or 6dogs .... my sole reason is to promote the freedom of speech without been threatened...


    Colleen

    Moderator
    My whole point was to point out that he crossed the line of freedom of speech when he made it personal and tried to make me look like a piece of crap that he could kick around while telling me I needed to be cured because I was born a lesbian. Go back and read EVERYTHING that was said and this time, do not cherry pick. The admins are not going to kick you out. Again, do not attempt to censor me while crying someone else can not be censored. You DID attempt to sensor me by telling me my standing up for myself was promoting hate and violence, something I did not do.
    doublehelix

    Seems like were losing our friendship because of this...
    Never wanted that to happen and i still support you and like you even if you think otherwise.....

    Anyways my three week trip hasn't ended...only recently did i have the chance to check in

    Maybe i should've advertised this thread in a different way..
    I'm getting off the internet now and don't know when i'll check in again

    Maybe my head is just too tired. Anyways, whatever happens....life is short...grab an ice cream :)

    And i'll be back next Monday....until then...hope things are cleared
    Colleen

    Moderator
    All 6dogs did was to support me too, like you claim you support me and who I am. She tried to get him to stop when she saw it became a personal assault on me. He ignored her. What you quoted up there was her next comment because she felt he was not going to stop until he had brow beat me into giving in. This is a technique he and his fellow "healers" use. Brow beat and stick to their close minded bigoted beliefs until their victim gives into their demand to see their life of "lies" as he put it, through the healers eyes. You calling out 6dogs and making her look like a censoring communist was wrong. I am not the one to forgive you for that but I do forgive you for standing against me in claiming that FF was a victim. The only thing he was a victim of was his own overly inflated ego that he is an angel and a person who can cure what God created. To me that is a person who holds himself at the level of God. That's MY opinion of the "healer". I will share an ice cream with you when you get back.
    ed shank

    Colleen. I can't relate to the stuff you've had to deal with. I'm sure that it's frustrating. Your being comfortable with who you are is all that matters. "Try" to seen these people for what they are, homophobes. I don't think their bad people, their just stuck in narrow minded thinking. I can't relate to the discrimination that blacks have dumped on them, because I'm not black. Can I "Try" to understand it? Yes, but I'll never really feel the pain. Your good in my book.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Ed, something to think about. akaQA is an open and very public forum. What gets posted here stays forever for anyone to read. What I want for any other homosexual to see is that there are those in this world who will stand up for them and fight for their right to live their lives in the manner they feel best suits them, in the manner that makes them happy. I will post my opposition against any homophobe, any bigot, any basher any twisted religious person who says anything bad about a homosexual. Telling someone they have a curable disease because they are gay is bad and deserves all that they get in return. I speak not just for myself but for the ones too scared to speak because some lunatic has scared them silent. What people mistake in me as anger is me standing up with no fear and giving them back precisely what they try to give me and my community. Directness in type is typically mistaken as anger. I'm only anger 1% of the times that I've been accused of being angry. Mostly I'm just laughing at the bible thumping fools trying to save me.

    The suspend and delete button will win over the right to freedom of opinion every time. 

    daren1

    sorry but they can't delete our thought at least for now!!

    I see weird s**t happening here. Why the spitting match between two adults got this far is somewhat of a mystery to me. Two opinions from people with opposing views should respect one anothers rights to express themselves. Don't like what you hear? Don't respond, and put it to sleep. Neither one involved in this dialog speaks for the masses. Opinion: When the "Censure" Nazi's decide what can and can't be discussed here,that will be the death nail for this site. Spirited discussions are interesting, even though it strays somewhat in regards to the original format of what this site was intended to do. Those with some clout on this site should keep in mind that given the temperament of the people here most will resign when suitable topics are chosen for them. 

    Colleen

    Moderator
    ed, go read what he said. This was not opinion. this was him trying to cure me. This was not a discussion, this was him trying to play God. This was personal between FF and I because he made it personal. You're talking about something you know nothing about. 6dogs censored nothing. The admin checked into it. They are satisfied and do not agree with FF's actions.
    ed shank

    Colleen. This is obviously a sensitive issue with you. Why you allow anyone to get you so riled up is nuts. You stated your point, it was not agreed upon, so click on to the next question. Watch that blood pressure my dear.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    29 years of the same shit ed. You try it. See how you would feel if someone tried to perform an on line exorcism on you because that's what witch doctors like him do to people they think are sick and need to be cured. He does this sh!t in real life. Research Christian cures for the homosexuals. Doublehelix did and this is what he said about it. He sent this to me in an e-mail.

    "I should say Colleen that i never knew that they (Christians) literally perform such horrible exorcism on gay people.
    When you talk about releasing demons from you, I thought he meant it kind of like a spiritual saying.....I'm kind of lost on this
    subject and as I was away I kept thinking about it so I researched it and obviously hated it." "They could be animalistic in their treatment
    of various issues. But this probably goes for every other religion as well especially extremist muslims. Your right, it is inhumane."

    That is what I was fighting and yes, the treatment they/he uses angers me. It's so easy for people to tell me not to get angry when they've not had to live this crap all their adult lives. I'm angry for the victims of this mental torture FF calls a "cure". I've had every radical christian come at me on this site. You might see one or two. I've personally had to deal with them all. You'd get upset too if you had to face as many "calling outs" as I have here. All because I'm a lesbian. Really? All this just because I'm a lesbian. Wonder how the radical Christians would feel if I started a cure group for radical Christians.

    I feel its best to stay away from those threads as they are personal. i don't mind politics though.  When one attacks another lifestyle then it becomes a problem.  I feel the same about religion.. Although I like a sensible debate in any subject where there is mature concerns and disagreements can be hashed out. But some subjects just do not have tolerance from either side. Take your beliefs and opinions and move on, there is nothing to gain, just good members leaving.. Don't try to change the world, its not our job..

    doublehelix

    "Don't try to change the world, its not our job.."

    Then who's job is it...the monkeys?
    Vinny

    Monkeys?? HA! I mean it's not akQA's job to change the world, we can't do it. Can you?? If so, I am mistaken! :) If enough people (monkeys) get together and fight for change then possible change will happen but you'll never get enough people together that agree on any one thing, let alone all things that bother you.. That's why we have politicians, (for whatever they are worth) Here they say, 'Write your congressman.but that goes nowhere.. 'We the people' LOL I like 'We the Monkeys'.. LOL!!!!!
    we want freedom fighter! we want freedom fighter!we want freedom fighter! feel free to join in at any time. we want freedom fighter!............................................................................................................................
    Colleen

    Moderator
    He made his decision to leave when he could not heal me.
    carmaxable

    heal you. for what?
    you seem fine to me
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Heal me from the demon inside me that is making me a lesbian. This is his side line business or so he told me. He claims he is one of the few people who has the power to "cure" me. I do not wish to be "cured". I never asked to be "cured" and I certainly never asked for anyone to force me to rip myself open on a very public forum to show my inner most self to all those who read that thread just to try and defend who I am. He crossed the line by using the "healing" techniques he uses on people who struggle with their sexuality and their Christianity. I AM NOT a Christian and have NO need to be healed or "cured". I am not struggling with my sexuality, I embrace it! He chose to ignore that. I do not see my sexuality as a sickness but rather a GIFT from my God and I thank Him everyday for it!

    6dogs and Colleen : you are still repeating the same thing over and over again in your answers: 'releasing the demon from Colleen..'


    It's just repetitive and seems like whatever i'm going to say is not going to change your next answers. 


    Me saying anything else on this matter is not going to bring FF back. 


    But in the end all i saw is him sticking to his own opinion like Colleen. And seeing one go because the other is 'backed up' is sad to know...


    Anyways this thread has nothing to do with religion or me being christian...it's just the idea of what power does to people.


    I hardly come here anyway....so don't bother filling your hatred onto me next...


    And Colleen : How can i like somebody without judging them...Yes I like you because i know exactly what you stand for, what your view is on...I never expressed any hatred towards you? 


    It seems like a lie but I only sticked to this forum because i like you :) 


    Anyway i just found it unfair for a member to leave because of his differing opinion...it shows ignorance and intolerance of understanding which is the only way to love each other....


    I don't have much free time to say more...life has been too busy... i'll just grab an ice cream and advice anyone else to do the same....


    Cheer up....the world is already filled with too much violence and hatred...why increase? 

    Colleen

    Moderator
    He made his choice to leave when he could not heal me. That's how I see it. You are being very one sided and that's fine. This whole issue has been sent to the admin since you decided to make a drama scene out of it, both that thread and this one. I will abide with their decision on this matter. If they say 6dogs was wrong for defending me, then I am gone because I will not remain on a site that allows open attacks, not opinions. If this had been directed at you dh, you would be seeing it differently. He does "healings" and believes he forces demons out of people. I've seen documentaries on those "healings" and they are sick. I suspect you did not read the thread in it's entirety.

    "Cheer up....the world is already filled with too much violence and hatred...why increase? "

    You need to ask FF that. He's the one promoting that I am something to be cured or feared because I have a demon possessing me. This is why some people hate and kill homosexuals. Because they believe the same thing.

    Were did I promote hate and violence? Never mind, again, your view is one sided.

    You know what I see? I see you trying to sensor me. You are telling me not to stand up for myself because by doing so I'm promoting hate and violence. How does that work in your world??

    Lastly, 6dogs is new at being a moderator. It's not an easy job to do or to learn. I know I dealt with all the crap that comes with it. You had no right to call her out like this and attempt to create drama. Next time, take it to the admin to handle.
    doublehelix

    The admins can kick me out

    You can tell them that...

    It's alright you and 6dogs should stay

    Either way I don't really care :)

    Life is too short for hatred

    Seems like me pointing out a fact has turned into a big misunderstanding for you

    I wasn't pointing hatred towards you or 6dogs .... my sole reason is to promote the freedom of speech without been threatened...
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Who started the hate in that thread dh. Go back and look at it honestly. He ignored my opinion. He tossed it away and told me he knew me better that I knew myself. That I was sick and he could cure me. WHO started the flame?

     leeroy:


    "I think what non-Christians don't realize is that, Christians relate almost every aspect of their lives to God or what God is trying to tell them, or How God is working in their lives. WE LIVE, BREATHE, EAT, AND ACT AROUND WHAT WE THINK GOD WANTS FOR OUR LIVES."


    I believe Freedom Fighter was only trying to save Colleen, but what he didn't want to face, as I have, is you can't save anyone only God can do that and only when a person wants that, if they don't want your God, let it go and move on don't wast your energy as it will only pull you down.

    Colleen

    Moderator
    " WHAT WE THINK GOD WANTS FOR OUR LIVES."
    There it should remain. Your lives, not others.

    I relate every aspect of my life to what I believe God wants for me. Some Christians continue to try and push away my beliefs and force feed me theirs. Not cool!
    Headless Man

    Good L-U-C-K Colleen.
    Colleen

    Moderator
    With what? Fighting off my accusers and "saviors"?
    Headless Man

    Your life........
    Colleen

    Moderator
    Thanks but I'm fine. L-U-C-K to you.

    doublehelix, you have read through the entire thread where Freedom Fighter made many comments on his beliefs about homosexuality. You also read many comments from Colleen with regards to her thoughts on homosexuality. But did you also read where Freedom Fighter refused to stop reiterating to Colleen that she was sick and that he as a Christian, was one of the few people IN THE WORLD who could cure Colleen of her disease. Colleen assured Freedom Fighter that she was born a homosexual, that it is not a disease, it cannot be cured, and yet he continued to be beligerant and browbeat her with his Christian beliefs that she is afflicted with a demon. Colleen repeatedly asked him to stop throwing his beliefs in her face and he refused several times and continued to attack her.


    The persistant attack by Freedom Fighter on Colleen, even after being asked to stop, brought it to my attention that the discussion had come to an end and it had turned into a personal assault.  It was apparent that Freedom Fighter was not willing to stop antagonizing Colleen.


    The rules of the forum state that personal attacks on anyone are not allowed.


    The proper place for comments like yours here is a direct communication to the administrators.


     

    carmaxable

    how did i miss all that.i didnt realize he was doing that. im sorry colleen.


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